1 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Re-synched and adjusted from the YIFY sub by effegi 2 00:00:31,868 --> 00:00:34,368 I hate it around here, I hated so much. 3 00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:40,069 My house burnt down and stuff because I'm a fighter. 4 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:44,170 It's just ridiculous, an entire living like that. 5 00:00:44,794 --> 00:00:47,794 Confining myself into this house so I can stay alive. 6 00:00:52,918 --> 00:00:56,518 I remember what it's like to grow up in a place where you feel trapped alone. 7 00:00:57,242 --> 00:00:59,742 Where safer to be silent than to be yourself. 8 00:01:00,966 --> 00:01:04,166 I remember because I was born and raised in the same place as C J. 9 00:01:04,790 --> 00:01:05,990 Oil City. 10 00:01:06,414 --> 00:01:08,414 A small town with small town values, 11 00:01:08,494 --> 00:01:12,003 in the hills of western Pennsylvania. 12 00:01:32,744 --> 00:01:35,713 I was the youngest in a big irish catholic family. 13 00:01:35,814 --> 00:01:37,548 Mom was a nurse, and dad was 14 00:01:37,549 --> 00:01:39,951 Custodian at the catholic school we all attended. 15 00:01:39,952 --> 00:01:42,920 We didn't have much money, but life was good, 16 00:01:42,921 --> 00:01:45,791 And I didn't have a care in the world. 17 00:01:46,192 --> 00:01:49,694 As I got older, I started to feel a lilltle different. 18 00:01:49,695 --> 00:01:52,964 By the time I was a teen, I realized that I was gay. 19 00:01:53,888 --> 00:01:57,064 I'm like C J. I was too afraid to let anyone know. 20 00:01:57,488 --> 00:01:59,564 So I kept silent and managed to get by. 21 00:02:02,407 --> 00:02:04,241 As soon as I graduated high school, 22 00:02:04,242 --> 00:02:05,909 I got out of town. 23 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:07,644 I went off to college, 24 00:02:07,645 --> 00:02:10,247 Joined the peace corps, and found myself 25 00:02:10,248 --> 00:02:12,416 identifying with others who had been silenced. 26 00:02:15,317 --> 00:02:17,654 I ended up in washington, D.C. 27 00:02:20,078 --> 00:02:22,078 I met Dean playing pickup basketball. 28 00:02:22,902 --> 00:02:24,754 We got along right from the start, 29 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:27,854 and before long we found love and got married. 30 00:02:29,257 --> 00:02:32,791 That's when I decided to do what I wish I could have done a long time ago 31 00:02:33,460 --> 00:02:36,829 Be open about who I was back in my hometown. 32 00:02:36,830 --> 00:02:39,699 I put our wedding announcement in Oil's City paper, 33 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:41,668 The Derrick. 34 00:02:41,669 --> 00:02:42,869 It didn't take long 35 00:02:42,870 --> 00:02:45,405 For the letters to start pouring in. 36 00:02:45,406 --> 00:02:47,240 Woman: "editor: Common sense tells us 37 00:02:47,241 --> 00:02:49,175 Marriage is between a man and a woman." 38 00:02:49,176 --> 00:02:51,411 Man: "I am shaking with anger as I write this." 39 00:02:51,412 --> 00:02:53,446 Woman: "I was sick to my stomach 40 00:02:53,447 --> 00:02:55,882 When I saw and read the announcement..." 41 00:02:55,883 --> 00:02:59,252 Man: "Homosexuality is immoral." 42 00:02:59,253 --> 00:03:01,588 Man: "it would be better for you not to have been born. 43 00:03:01,589 --> 00:03:03,891 Think about that." 44 00:03:05,892 --> 00:03:07,559 The reactions to my wedding announcement 45 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,562 didn't really surprise me. 46 00:03:09,963 --> 00:03:12,699 Then I got a letter I didn't expect. 47 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:14,803 "Dear mr. Wilson, 48 00:03:15,104 --> 00:03:16,871 I searched for your address in washington, D.C., 49 00:03:16,872 --> 00:03:19,574 "after I saw your wedding announcement in the paper. 50 00:03:20,275 --> 00:03:22,576 "I'm the mother of a 16-year-old boy 51 00:03:22,577 --> 00:03:25,512 "who is being treated unjustly because he is gay. 52 00:03:25,513 --> 00:03:28,749 "I was told you were born and raised in oil city, 53 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:30,951 "so I feel a connection to you. 54 00:03:30,952 --> 00:03:34,021 "last night, my son, C.J., cried for three hours 55 00:03:34,022 --> 00:03:37,291 "after being abused in public because of being gay. 56 00:03:37,392 --> 00:03:39,327 "I'm so afraid for him. 57 00:03:39,328 --> 00:03:41,395 "I don't know where else to turn. 58 00:03:41,396 --> 00:03:43,631 "please help if you can. 59 00:03:43,632 --> 00:03:46,100 Sincerely, Kathy Springer." 60 00:03:47,001 --> 00:03:48,569 Kathy's letter made me realize 61 00:03:48,670 --> 00:03:51,005 that things hadn't change that much in oil city. 62 00:03:51,106 --> 00:03:56,140 Here it was. 25 years after my own fear of being found out forced me to keep quiet. 63 00:03:56,764 --> 00:03:59,164 In kids like C J still had to live in silence. 64 00:04:00,488 --> 00:04:03,656 I wanted to go back to oil city to meet C J and Kathy, 65 00:04:04,026 --> 00:04:05,927 and to help document her story. 66 00:04:06,997 --> 00:04:08,764 I asked Dean to grab the camera. 67 00:04:12,865 --> 00:04:17,469 � I dreamed of fires burning � 68 00:04:17,470 --> 00:04:18,470 � low � 69 00:04:18,537 --> 00:04:20,638 � in my head � 70 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,407 � on a map below � 71 00:04:22,408 --> 00:04:25,677 � like an old friend � 72 00:04:25,678 --> 00:04:28,379 � that I used to know � 73 00:04:28,380 --> 00:04:31,883 � I've got seven hours � 74 00:04:31,884 --> 00:04:35,320 � and 15 miles to go � 75 00:04:35,321 --> 00:04:37,288 � instead � 76 00:04:37,289 --> 00:04:39,524 � and ain't it good � 77 00:04:39,525 --> 00:04:44,537 � to be back home? � 78 00:04:48,667 --> 00:04:51,902 Young man: This was my school. 79 00:04:51,903 --> 00:04:53,838 Every day when the bus stopped 80 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,375 and I walked through that door to my locker 81 00:04:56,576 --> 00:05:00,953 became eight hours of pure hell. 82 00:05:06,585 --> 00:05:08,753 Wilson: What went on in there? 83 00:05:08,754 --> 00:05:11,489 Well, kids would come by, hit me with my locker, 84 00:05:11,490 --> 00:05:12,857 I'd fall on the ground, 85 00:05:12,858 --> 00:05:14,792 My books would fly everywhere. 86 00:05:14,793 --> 00:05:17,095 I was slammed into the lockers, 87 00:05:17,096 --> 00:05:19,564 Hit with stuff, being yelled, "faggot." 88 00:05:19,565 --> 00:05:22,968 Yep. 89 00:05:26,271 --> 00:05:28,172 This hall was always lovely. 90 00:05:28,173 --> 00:05:30,308 I'd have to walk through a crowd 91 00:05:30,309 --> 00:05:33,311 Of kids, and there would always definitely be 92 00:05:33,312 --> 00:05:36,548 Some tripping going on or shoving or pushing. 93 00:05:36,549 --> 00:05:39,617 Grab my backpack and yanking me, 94 00:05:39,618 --> 00:05:40,986 And stupid stuff. 95 00:05:40,987 --> 00:05:42,187 What did you feel inside 96 00:05:42,188 --> 00:05:44,155 when that kind of stuff was happening? 97 00:05:44,156 --> 00:05:45,991 Terrified. Nobody cared. 98 00:05:45,992 --> 00:05:47,325 None of the teachers cared. 99 00:05:47,326 --> 00:05:48,860 None of the administrators cared. 100 00:05:48,861 --> 00:05:50,662 They always gave a deaf ear 101 00:05:50,663 --> 00:05:52,030 And a blind eye. 102 00:05:52,031 --> 00:05:57,408 They'd watch everything, never say a word. 103 00:05:59,738 --> 00:06:01,172 Wilson: I wanted to understand 104 00:06:01,173 --> 00:06:04,409 why my home town was still so hostile to kids like C J. 105 00:06:05,210 --> 00:06:06,577 It seemed like talking with people 106 00:06:06,578 --> 00:06:08,613 who denounced our wedding announcement in the paper 107 00:06:08,614 --> 00:06:10,381 Would be a logical place to start. 108 00:06:10,682 --> 00:06:12,718 Only one couple agreed to be interviewed. 109 00:06:13,219 --> 00:06:15,320 Pastor Mark Micklos and his wife, Diana. 110 00:06:15,521 --> 00:06:19,224 If I grant two men the right to get married, 111 00:06:19,425 --> 00:06:21,627 what's wrong with incest 112 00:06:21,928 --> 00:06:24,329 or polygamy or - and it would just, 113 00:06:24,330 --> 00:06:26,932 just expands, and I think that things - 114 00:06:26,933 --> 00:06:29,401 I think at times we've seen that happen. 115 00:06:29,402 --> 00:06:31,369 In plumbing, there's fittings, 116 00:06:31,370 --> 00:06:34,039 And they're called male and female fittings. 117 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,808 And you could probably 118 00:06:36,809 --> 00:06:39,745 Plumb a house with all male fittings, 119 00:06:39,746 --> 00:06:44,716 But it seems like the design is for male and female, 120 00:06:44,717 --> 00:06:47,252 Not for two likes to be together. 121 00:06:47,653 --> 00:06:51,022 It was hard to listen to what the Mickloses were saying, 122 00:06:51,423 --> 00:06:53,624 But the fact that they invited us to their home 123 00:06:53,625 --> 00:06:55,860 And we were talking seemed like an opening. 124 00:06:55,861 --> 00:06:57,862 When I asked them why they had taken the trouble 125 00:06:57,863 --> 00:06:59,597 To write about our wedding announcement, 126 00:06:59,598 --> 00:07:02,200 They told me that their church had received an alert 127 00:07:02,201 --> 00:07:04,235 That asked members to write in protest. 128 00:07:04,636 --> 00:07:06,937 It was sent by the Pennsylvania arm 129 00:07:06,938 --> 00:07:09,007 of the american family association, 130 00:07:09,208 --> 00:07:12,242 A conservative values organization based in Mississippi. 131 00:07:12,711 --> 00:07:14,045 How did they key in 132 00:07:14,046 --> 00:07:16,447 on our little wedding announcement so fast? 133 00:07:16,448 --> 00:07:19,016 It turns out that the AFA's chapter president, 134 00:07:19,017 --> 00:07:21,519 Diane gramley, lives right there in the area 135 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,363 And has a program on a local radio station. 136 00:07:27,593 --> 00:07:28,893 Woman: Welcome to 137 00:07:28,894 --> 00:07:31,295 "American Family Focus on Pennsylvania issues," 138 00:07:31,296 --> 00:07:33,231 A weekly program which discusses 139 00:07:33,232 --> 00:07:35,666 some of the happenings that are of concern 140 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:39,102 to the family and those who hold traditional values in Pennsylvania. 141 00:07:39,171 --> 00:07:40,772 And now your host, 142 00:07:40,773 --> 00:07:43,641 Diane Gramley, state director of American Family Association 143 00:07:43,642 --> 00:07:44,843 of Pennsylvania. 144 00:07:44,944 --> 00:07:46,611 Gramley: The question comes down to, 145 00:07:46,612 --> 00:07:48,546 Should a lifestyle that will result in the destruction 146 00:07:48,547 --> 00:07:50,281 Of traditional marriage and the natural family - 147 00:07:50,282 --> 00:07:51,683 Not even mentioning 148 00:07:51,684 --> 00:07:53,952 The physical, mental, and psychological dangers 149 00:07:53,953 --> 00:07:55,853 To those involved in this lifestyle - 150 00:07:55,854 --> 00:07:58,356 Be normalized and codified into the laws of the land? 151 00:07:58,357 --> 00:08:01,492 Those involved in this lifestyle are sinners, 152 00:08:01,493 --> 00:08:03,761 And they need to accept the saving grace 153 00:08:03,762 --> 00:08:05,930 Of jesus christ, just like you and me. 154 00:08:05,931 --> 00:08:08,066 Wilson: Back when I was growing up, 155 00:08:08,067 --> 00:08:10,702 People didn't talk about lifestyle so openly. 156 00:08:10,703 --> 00:08:12,270 And at my house, 157 00:08:12,271 --> 00:08:15,506 Sexuality or being gay wasn't discussed at all. 158 00:08:15,507 --> 00:08:17,208 Even though right on our street, 159 00:08:17,209 --> 00:08:19,210 Just two doors down from our house, 160 00:08:19,211 --> 00:08:22,146 We had a neighbor with a rainbow flag on her door. 161 00:08:22,547 --> 00:08:24,049 Woman: I've lived in this community 162 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:26,719 Since I was 17 years old, and I've always been open. 163 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,921 I mean, I never wore my sexuality on a sleeve, 164 00:08:28,922 --> 00:08:30,589 But people always knew who I was. 165 00:08:30,590 --> 00:08:34,760 Nobody was ever negative to me, except one occasion. 166 00:08:34,761 --> 00:08:37,062 I was hired at this firm, 167 00:08:37,063 --> 00:08:39,198 And I worked there about six months, 168 00:08:39,199 --> 00:08:41,400 And then the president of the company, 169 00:08:41,401 --> 00:08:44,336 After the christmas party - and I took my partner - 170 00:08:44,337 --> 00:08:46,572 Came in a few days later and fired me. 171 00:08:46,973 --> 00:08:48,640 Said he couldn't have the likes 172 00:08:48,641 --> 00:08:50,542 Of somebody like me working for the company. 173 00:08:50,843 --> 00:08:52,477 Okay. 174 00:08:52,545 --> 00:08:54,712 Be good, you guys. 175 00:08:54,713 --> 00:08:56,190 Come here. Come on. 176 00:08:59,318 --> 00:09:01,386 This is my house 177 00:09:01,387 --> 00:09:04,255 Where my stepdad sells smelly birds. 178 00:09:04,256 --> 00:09:06,363 Wilson: "choo-kers?" chukars or something like that? 179 00:09:06,364 --> 00:09:06,858 Chukars. 180 00:09:06,859 --> 00:09:09,594 Chukars, quails, and pheasants. 181 00:09:09,595 --> 00:09:11,262 Probably stinks. 182 00:09:11,263 --> 00:09:12,597 Yeah, it stinks. 183 00:09:12,598 --> 00:09:16,101 Okay, the smell is a little too much, 184 00:09:16,102 --> 00:09:18,970 Okay, it's a little too real. 185 00:09:18,971 --> 00:09:21,407 That is not a place for - 186 00:09:21,608 --> 00:09:24,743 Bills: The first day we came back from christmas vacation, 187 00:09:24,744 --> 00:09:26,211 This kid, richie" 188 00:09:26,212 --> 00:09:28,847 Who everybody's known he was gay since, like, 189 00:09:28,848 --> 00:09:31,283 The day he was born, came back to school. 190 00:09:31,284 --> 00:09:34,186 And I went into my history class, 191 00:09:34,187 --> 00:09:36,121 Last period of the day, 192 00:09:36,722 --> 00:09:39,924 And some kid stood up and came over to him, 193 00:09:40,025 --> 00:09:42,026 'cause he was standing by the door 194 00:09:42,027 --> 00:09:44,295 'cause he didn't have a seat or anything yet - 195 00:09:44,296 --> 00:09:46,297 And some kid was like, "hey, are you a faggot?" 196 00:09:46,398 --> 00:09:48,066 And I stood up, and I got in his face, 197 00:09:48,067 --> 00:09:50,334 And I was like, "why you got to call him that? 198 00:09:50,335 --> 00:09:51,469 "what did he do to you? 199 00:09:51,470 --> 00:09:53,471 "he's just standing there, hasn't said a word to anybody. 200 00:09:53,472 --> 00:09:54,472 Leave him alone." 201 00:09:54,473 --> 00:09:56,708 And he's like, "what? So are you a hard-ass homo then?" 202 00:09:56,709 --> 00:09:58,710 He's like, "you think you can take me?" 203 00:09:58,711 --> 00:10:00,412 And I was like, "dude, I might be a faggot, 204 00:10:00,413 --> 00:10:01,947 But I'm more of a man than you'll be." 205 00:10:01,948 --> 00:10:03,549 And he's like, "so you're admitting it?" 206 00:10:03,550 --> 00:10:04,883 And I was like, "I am admitting 207 00:10:04,884 --> 00:10:06,885 "that if you say another word to me like that again, 208 00:10:06,886 --> 00:10:08,320 I am going to take your teeth out." 209 00:10:08,721 --> 00:10:10,755 There was a lot he didn't even tell me, 210 00:10:10,756 --> 00:10:12,257 You know, at first, 211 00:10:12,258 --> 00:10:13,792 Because he'd come home, 212 00:10:13,793 --> 00:10:15,560 And he'd be real quiet, and he'd go to his room, 213 00:10:15,561 --> 00:10:17,963 And he wouldn't come out for hours. 214 00:10:18,164 --> 00:10:19,998 I said, "you know, C.J., 215 00:10:19,999 --> 00:10:23,668 "there is nothing you could possibly be in this world 216 00:10:23,969 --> 00:10:26,904 That would ever make me stop loving you." 217 00:10:27,205 --> 00:10:29,775 So then, finally, one day, he says, 218 00:10:30,376 --> 00:10:32,711 "I'm tired of denying who I am, 219 00:10:32,812 --> 00:10:35,213 "and I'm tired of the abuse 220 00:10:35,214 --> 00:10:37,783 "and the harassment that gays take, 221 00:10:37,984 --> 00:10:41,418 "and I'm just coming out with it, I don't care." 222 00:10:41,788 --> 00:10:44,389 C.J. told me we wanted to make videos himself. 223 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:46,057 So we gave him a camera 224 00:10:46,058 --> 00:10:48,526 and helped him get started by filming one of his friends. 225 00:10:48,827 --> 00:10:50,395 Hamer: And if you want a close-up, 226 00:10:50,396 --> 00:10:51,929 You go like that. 227 00:10:51,930 --> 00:10:53,531 Oops. Or whatever. 228 00:10:53,532 --> 00:10:55,767 And if you want far away, you go like that. 229 00:10:56,668 --> 00:10:58,269 So you try it. Film something. 230 00:10:58,270 --> 00:10:59,537 That's awesome. 231 00:10:59,538 --> 00:11:01,539 I was hoping C.J. would use his camera 232 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:04,139 to show what life was like for him as a gay teen. 233 00:11:04,378 --> 00:11:06,980 For practice, I asked him to join us at a concert 234 00:11:06,981 --> 00:11:10,049 I helped to organize featuring my friend Namoli Brennet. 235 00:11:10,973 --> 00:11:13,473 I'm so, so happy to be here. 236 00:11:13,750 --> 00:11:16,452 Namoli's a transgendered musician from a small town, 237 00:11:16,453 --> 00:11:18,388 who lives her life very openly. 238 00:11:18,726 --> 00:11:20,426 I thought she might be an inspiration 239 00:11:20,427 --> 00:11:21,861 for folks in oil city. 240 00:11:23,062 --> 00:11:24,861 There wasn't a big crowd, 241 00:11:24,885 --> 00:11:27,261 but they seemed to connect with Namoli and her music. 242 00:11:27,285 --> 00:11:29,361 And I received some gifts, I received some little 243 00:11:29,385 --> 00:11:31,361 cruets of crude oil. 244 00:11:33,885 --> 00:11:35,261 I thought the salt and dressing, 245 00:11:37,185 --> 00:11:39,785 Oil. Not oli on... but oil! 246 00:11:47,162 --> 00:11:50,131 � you don't know when you're gonna find me � 247 00:11:50,132 --> 00:11:52,466 � you don't know when you're gonna take me � 248 00:11:52,467 --> 00:11:56,572 � home � 249 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,942 Wilson: Oil city used to be a very different kind of place. 250 00:12:00,443 --> 00:12:01,742 Back in 1859 251 00:12:01,943 --> 00:12:03,244 when colonel Edwin Drake 252 00:12:03,245 --> 00:12:05,647 drilled the first oil well in the United States there. 253 00:12:05,648 --> 00:12:09,147 It became a boomtown, full of new people and fresh ideas. 254 00:12:10,648 --> 00:12:13,917 The growth and prosperity lasted for another 100 years, 255 00:12:13,918 --> 00:12:16,517 as the oil city became a refining and industrial center 256 00:12:17,041 --> 00:12:20,017 and a melting pot for immigrants from all over Europe. 257 00:12:21,241 --> 00:12:22,917 There was a lot of money in oil, say, 258 00:12:23,241 --> 00:12:25,617 and people used it to build imposing banks, 259 00:12:25,641 --> 00:12:27,041 public libraries, 260 00:12:27,065 --> 00:12:29,617 tall spired churches of all denominations, 261 00:12:29,841 --> 00:12:32,341 and elegant Victorian houses. 262 00:12:35,218 --> 00:12:36,853 But by the time I came along, 263 00:12:36,877 --> 00:12:40,377 the big refineries and manufacturing plants had all shut down. 264 00:12:40,854 --> 00:12:43,556 And jobs and people were moving out. 265 00:12:43,557 --> 00:12:45,758 The population dropped by half. 266 00:12:46,670 --> 00:12:48,305 It become the sort of rust belt town 267 00:12:48,493 --> 00:12:50,527 that time seemed to be leaving behind, 268 00:12:50,528 --> 00:12:52,195 Where things didn't change much 269 00:12:52,196 --> 00:12:54,597 And outsiders were viewed with suspicion. 270 00:12:56,398 --> 00:12:58,267 Like many small towns, 271 00:12:58,568 --> 00:13:00,769 Oil city is trying to make a comeback. 272 00:13:01,170 --> 00:13:03,845 It still has its history and plenty of small town charme. 273 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:06,545 But it's not clear if that will be enough. 274 00:13:12,145 --> 00:13:14,913 Brennet: � I can be � 275 00:13:14,914 --> 00:13:16,115 � myself � 276 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,475 Thanks, everybody. 277 00:13:21,668 --> 00:13:23,970 Wilson: The biggest event of the year in oil city 278 00:13:23,971 --> 00:13:25,572 Is the oil heritage parade. 279 00:13:25,673 --> 00:13:27,573 Most people come out to watch their kids March 280 00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:29,409 Or their friends ride around on silly floats. 281 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:31,912 Even in the pouring rain. 282 00:13:32,313 --> 00:13:35,215 So I wasn't expecting to see an anti-gay marriage protest 283 00:13:35,216 --> 00:13:37,317 Led by none other than Diane Gramley 284 00:13:37,318 --> 00:13:39,386 Of the American Family Association. 285 00:13:39,587 --> 00:13:41,421 She'd already refused several requests 286 00:13:41,422 --> 00:13:42,989 To be formally interviewed, 287 00:13:42,990 --> 00:13:44,824 So I tried a more direct approach. 288 00:13:44,825 --> 00:13:46,359 Hi, Dane. How are you? 289 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,594 Fine, and you? 290 00:13:47,595 --> 00:13:49,796 I'm not going to be part of your documentary. 291 00:13:49,797 --> 00:13:51,664 Yeah, we just wanted to know why 292 00:13:51,665 --> 00:13:53,166 You're so actively seeking 293 00:13:53,167 --> 00:13:55,635 To discriminate against gay and lesbian people. 294 00:13:55,636 --> 00:13:57,403 We talked about it on the phone. 295 00:13:57,404 --> 00:13:59,072 Well, why do you think that they don't deserve 296 00:13:59,073 --> 00:14:02,675 To live freely in society as you do? 297 00:14:02,676 --> 00:14:04,611 They have every right to live freely, 298 00:14:04,612 --> 00:14:06,579 And they are living freely in society. 299 00:14:06,580 --> 00:14:08,848 I would like to know why you encourage children 300 00:14:08,849 --> 00:14:10,850 To participate in a dangerous lifestyle. 301 00:14:11,051 --> 00:14:12,318 Hey, Joe, how you doing? 302 00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:13,987 Good, and you? Nice to see you. 303 00:14:13,988 --> 00:14:15,455 Good seeing you. Yeah. 304 00:14:16,256 --> 00:14:17,957 Gramley: There've been homosexuals throughout society, 305 00:14:17,958 --> 00:14:19,291 But they have not attempted 306 00:14:19,292 --> 00:14:21,994 To redefine marriage and family as they are today. 307 00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:23,763 Everything else with gay people is okay, right? 308 00:14:23,764 --> 00:14:25,297 They can teach school. 309 00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:27,299 If they have a job, and they're doing their job, 310 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,001 They have every right to have that job. 311 00:14:29,002 --> 00:14:30,870 And they could be out on the job and tell people 312 00:14:30,871 --> 00:14:32,138 That they're gay when they're asked? 313 00:14:32,139 --> 00:14:36,049 No, 'cause that's promoting a lifestyle. 314 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:40,855 Well, I know that. 315 00:14:44,517 --> 00:14:46,752 Wilson: Things had become increasingly bad 316 00:14:46,753 --> 00:14:48,654 At C.J.'s high school. 317 00:14:48,655 --> 00:14:51,624 When he finally complained about the abuse he was receiving, 318 00:14:51,625 --> 00:14:53,960 The assistant principal blamed him for the trouble 319 00:14:53,961 --> 00:14:55,661 And called the state police. 320 00:14:55,662 --> 00:14:58,030 Kathy decided to take C.J. Out of school 321 00:14:58,031 --> 00:15:00,366 And go to the school board for answers. 322 00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:02,101 All: One nation under god, 323 00:15:02,102 --> 00:15:06,780 Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 324 00:15:09,176 --> 00:15:11,678 Woman: Any other business to enter? 325 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:15,348 My name's - oh, I'm sorry. 326 00:15:15,349 --> 00:15:17,925 Please state your name for the record. 327 00:15:19,553 --> 00:15:21,020 My name is Kathy Springer. 328 00:15:21,021 --> 00:15:23,122 Have you implemented, 329 00:15:23,123 --> 00:15:25,424 Or are you going to implement 330 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:28,661 A change in how discrimination is handled 331 00:15:28,662 --> 00:15:30,696 In this school district? 332 00:15:30,697 --> 00:15:32,899 I recently had to pull my son out 333 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:35,902 Because of discrimination and how it was handled. 334 00:15:35,903 --> 00:15:39,171 Are you - is there a better way of handling things? 335 00:15:39,172 --> 00:15:41,941 Man: Ma'am, do me a favor. Will you give me a call? 336 00:15:41,942 --> 00:15:44,844 Okay? This isn't the time to - 337 00:15:44,845 --> 00:15:47,380 I just, as a taxpayer, wanted to know if - 338 00:15:47,381 --> 00:15:51,049 You know, should I decide to send my son back? 339 00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:53,451 Are there going to be any changes? That's all. 340 00:15:53,654 --> 00:15:55,722 There have been discussions taking place, 341 00:15:55,823 --> 00:15:57,690 And there have been issues 342 00:15:57,691 --> 00:16:00,159 Not only with myself and mr. Richmond, 343 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,762 Mr. Forrester, and the other principals, 344 00:16:02,763 --> 00:16:05,465 So I don't know if that's - 345 00:16:05,466 --> 00:16:08,601 But, please, feel free to give me a call, okay? 346 00:16:08,602 --> 00:16:10,770 It was like, "oh, god, 347 00:16:10,771 --> 00:16:14,407 Give her her five minutes and get her out of here." 348 00:16:14,408 --> 00:16:18,044 I really don't see that they've seen us as a threat or anything. 349 00:16:18,045 --> 00:16:19,879 We were just an annoyance. 350 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,147 Mm-hmm. 351 00:16:21,215 --> 00:16:22,849 Wilson: Shortly after kathy's appearance, 352 00:16:22,850 --> 00:16:25,084 The school board did propose a plan 353 00:16:25,085 --> 00:16:27,753 For inclusive anti-discrimination training. 354 00:16:27,754 --> 00:16:30,156 But there was suddenly an unusual amount 355 00:16:30,157 --> 00:16:31,791 Of opposition from the community, 356 00:16:31,792 --> 00:16:33,894 Especially from an african-american pastor 357 00:16:33,995 --> 00:16:36,630 Who wanted the training to focus only on race 358 00:16:36,631 --> 00:16:39,032 And not even mention sexual orientation. 359 00:16:40,533 --> 00:16:41,734 A Derrick reporter discovered 360 00:16:41,735 --> 00:16:43,969 The reason for the racial outcry. 361 00:16:43,970 --> 00:16:47,173 Diane Gramley had sent out another action alert. 362 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:48,942 This one accused the school district 363 00:16:48,943 --> 00:16:52,312 Of trying to hijack civil rights to promote homosexuality. 364 00:16:52,513 --> 00:16:56,149 The diversity training never happened. 365 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:58,851 I have to admit, in this environment, 366 00:16:59,052 --> 00:17:00,287 It was a clever strategy 367 00:17:00,288 --> 00:17:03,256 To pit one minority group against another. 368 00:17:03,657 --> 00:17:05,358 I'll tell you what we're doing. 369 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,126 We got married a couple years ago" 370 00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:09,495 And we put our wedding announcement in the paper, 371 00:17:09,496 --> 00:17:12,131 And it turned into this, like, controversy or whatever. 372 00:17:12,132 --> 00:17:14,234 I got beat up about a month ago. 373 00:17:14,235 --> 00:17:16,069 What? Oh, yeah. 374 00:17:16,070 --> 00:17:18,672 I never thought people were racist or anything. 375 00:17:18,773 --> 00:17:22,342 I'm arab, and this girl wouldn't stop talking crap, 376 00:17:22,343 --> 00:17:25,879 And I faced her in lunch, and she ploughed me right down. 377 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,248 There was blood all over me. 378 00:17:28,249 --> 00:17:30,017 I didn't have a chance. 379 00:17:30,018 --> 00:17:31,752 This place is rough. 380 00:17:32,253 --> 00:17:34,821 If you are not a man 381 00:17:34,822 --> 00:17:35,889 With white 382 00:17:36,957 --> 00:17:40,126 And who likes to do the missionary position, 383 00:17:40,227 --> 00:17:41,527 It's over. 384 00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:48,100 Wilson: Although gay people are everywhere, 385 00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:49,502 We're not always visible. 386 00:17:49,703 --> 00:17:51,537 Roxanne and some of her friends 387 00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:53,506 Wanted to change that in oil city. 388 00:17:53,507 --> 00:17:55,442 They put together a volunteer group to participate 389 00:17:55,443 --> 00:17:57,877 In community activities like town cleanup day. 390 00:17:58,378 --> 00:17:59,745 What are you guys up to today? 391 00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:01,414 Man: Everybody that's driving by thinks 392 00:18:01,415 --> 00:18:03,649 That we're on work release and that's why we're out here. 393 00:18:03,650 --> 00:18:05,451 Wilson: Would you mind saying 394 00:18:05,452 --> 00:18:08,888 A little bit of a word right now? 395 00:18:08,889 --> 00:18:11,123 Just being out in the community doing something, 396 00:18:11,124 --> 00:18:12,658 Just helping. 397 00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:15,394 It's kind of a nasty day, but we did it anyway. 398 00:18:15,395 --> 00:18:16,395 Hey, Greg. 399 00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:17,463 What? 400 00:18:17,531 --> 00:18:21,065 Can you say a little bit About what you're doing today? 401 00:18:21,535 --> 00:18:24,837 Wilson: Cleanup day was supposed to be a community-wide event, 402 00:18:25,038 --> 00:18:27,073 But we only saw one other volunteer 403 00:18:27,074 --> 00:18:28,908 Who wasn't part of Roxanne's group. 404 00:18:29,509 --> 00:18:30,510 So I asked her, 405 00:18:30,611 --> 00:18:33,146 "if there were a visible gay and lesbian group in oil city 406 00:18:33,347 --> 00:18:35,248 Would anyone in the community object?" 407 00:18:35,249 --> 00:18:37,650 I guess you're going to have radicals everywhere, 408 00:18:37,651 --> 00:18:40,520 And they'll find a way to articulate what bothers them. 409 00:18:40,521 --> 00:18:44,390 But how can you target people who are doing something good? 410 00:18:44,591 --> 00:18:46,158 You know? 411 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:52,726 Brennet: � ain't it good to be back home? � 412 00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:58,869 Me being me? Yeah.. 413 00:18:58,870 --> 00:19:00,438 I definitely want to see that. 414 00:19:00,439 --> 00:19:02,239 Oh, no. 415 00:19:02,507 --> 00:19:04,575 C.J., is there anything on there 416 00:19:04,576 --> 00:19:07,418 You don't want me to see? 417 00:19:09,414 --> 00:19:12,049 Is this on? 418 00:19:12,050 --> 00:19:14,218 Hello out there. 419 00:19:14,219 --> 00:19:16,253 Okay. 420 00:19:24,963 --> 00:19:26,531 Boy: That hurt? 421 00:19:26,632 --> 00:19:27,932 � I'm feeling so unique � 422 00:19:28,433 --> 00:19:29,934 � I'm feeling really funky � 423 00:19:30,135 --> 00:19:32,102 � I kind of like this beat � 424 00:19:32,103 --> 00:19:35,946 � could this be a dream? � 425 00:19:36,207 --> 00:19:39,009 � sometimes it's hard to tell the difference � 426 00:19:39,010 --> 00:19:40,444 � I made � 427 00:19:40,512 --> 00:19:42,446 � too many hazy nights � 428 00:19:42,447 --> 00:19:45,849 � too many lonely days � 429 00:19:45,850 --> 00:19:48,018 Stop, C.J. 430 00:19:48,086 --> 00:19:52,056 � set me free � 431 00:19:52,057 --> 00:19:53,991 � come on and set me free � 432 00:19:53,992 --> 00:19:58,162 � I got to set me free � 433 00:19:58,163 --> 00:19:59,630 Jesus Christ! 434 00:19:59,731 --> 00:20:05,136 I think I got spina bifida. Cut. 435 00:20:05,637 --> 00:20:07,638 I know. 436 00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:09,940 Boy: He went "Oops." 437 00:20:09,941 --> 00:20:11,809 Wilson: How do you feel, as a parent, 438 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:13,544 That the cyber school is the option - 439 00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:15,979 That I had to turn to? 440 00:20:15,980 --> 00:20:18,148 I don't like the idea, no. 441 00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:21,985 My son, I wanted him to be able to be involved 442 00:20:21,986 --> 00:20:25,189 With all the other school activities, 443 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:28,492 The camaraderie, you know, everything, 444 00:20:28,493 --> 00:20:31,762 The prom, the whole schmear, you know. 445 00:20:31,763 --> 00:20:34,364 And I feel that he was gypped. 446 00:20:34,365 --> 00:20:38,235 He doesn't have that interaction 447 00:20:38,236 --> 00:20:40,771 That I think he needs. 448 00:21:14,813 --> 00:21:17,149 Hitchcock: Y know, one thing about living in a small town 449 00:21:17,250 --> 00:21:19,451 Is that the gene pool is so limited. 450 00:21:19,452 --> 00:21:22,722 You know, trying to meet somebody is really hard. 451 00:21:23,323 --> 00:21:25,758 Wilson: So who's this special lady that's in your life? 452 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:27,126 Her name is Linda. 453 00:21:27,127 --> 00:21:28,894 Where's she at? 454 00:21:28,895 --> 00:21:30,763 I'll never forget how excited you were 455 00:21:30,764 --> 00:21:32,464 When I talked to you on the phone, 456 00:21:32,465 --> 00:21:34,199 And you said, "Oh, I met somebody." 457 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,901 Henderson: Well, the cool part about it 458 00:21:35,902 --> 00:21:37,836 Is everybody's saying the same thing about me. 459 00:21:37,837 --> 00:21:39,805 People asking me what in the world's going on 460 00:21:39,806 --> 00:21:41,573 'cause I'm running around smiling a lot. 461 00:21:41,574 --> 00:21:44,309 You know, all of the sudden, 462 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:48,313 I've been telling people I have a family now. 463 00:21:48,314 --> 00:21:51,083 Hitchcock: In some ways, she's the total opposite of me. 464 00:21:51,084 --> 00:21:53,952 You know, I can be aggressive and antagonistic, 465 00:21:53,953 --> 00:21:56,221 And she's just kind of quiet and the peacemaker, 466 00:21:56,222 --> 00:21:59,825 And she's just calm. 467 00:21:59,826 --> 00:22:02,995 And she's very gifted. She's great with people. 468 00:22:02,996 --> 00:22:06,132 She is the best thing that ever happened to me. 469 00:22:07,133 --> 00:22:10,135 Henderson: � I was with George Washington � 470 00:22:10,536 --> 00:22:12,738 � one night at Valley Forge � 471 00:22:13,139 --> 00:22:17,142 � "why do the soldiers freeze here like they do?" � 472 00:22:17,543 --> 00:22:21,380 � he said, "men will suffer, fight � 473 00:22:21,581 --> 00:22:24,149 � "even die for what is right � 474 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:26,152 � "even though they know � 475 00:22:26,453 --> 00:22:29,555 � they're only passing through" � 476 00:22:29,556 --> 00:22:34,226 � passing through � 477 00:22:34,227 --> 00:22:37,096 � sometimes happy, sometimes blue � 478 00:22:37,097 --> 00:22:40,232 � glad that I ran into you � 479 00:22:40,233 --> 00:22:42,535 � I've some little time � 480 00:22:42,536 --> 00:22:47,640 � now I'm just passing through � 481 00:22:48,041 --> 00:22:50,409 Wilson: Whoo. 482 00:22:50,410 --> 00:22:52,077 Beautiful voice. 483 00:22:52,078 --> 00:22:54,313 Thank you. 484 00:22:56,037 --> 00:23:00,437 Since I was told I could do a Powerpoint on anything I wanted to do that interested me, 485 00:23:00,461 --> 00:23:05,061 I choose something that I know a lot about, which is the struggle of GLBT, 486 00:23:05,085 --> 00:23:08,285 Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Trandgender people in our country. 487 00:23:08,309 --> 00:23:13,509 7 years ago, a Wyoming young man named Matthew Shepard, a 21 year old college student, 488 00:23:13,533 --> 00:23:18,533 was taken out to the desert and savagely beaten to death for being and openly gay man. 489 00:23:18,557 --> 00:23:22,957 And there's... that says: What part of love don't you understand? 490 00:23:22,981 --> 00:23:26,981 C.J. was doing a project on discrimination from one of his cyberschool classes. 491 00:23:27,005 --> 00:23:31,505 When he asked me where he could find information about the question about what makes people gay, 492 00:23:31,529 --> 00:23:33,929 I told him he might want to interview a real expert. 493 00:23:33,953 --> 00:23:37,653 I'm Dr. Dean Hamer, I work at the National Institutes of Health, 494 00:23:37,977 --> 00:23:43,377 and I've been working on the genetics of human personality the last few years. 495 00:23:44,101 --> 00:23:48,001 Did you get through a lot of controversy when you first came out with the thought that: 496 00:23:48,025 --> 00:23:51,725 "Oh, I'm gonna... you know, look for... wide gay people that way". 497 00:23:51,749 --> 00:23:57,549 When I decided to study sexual orientation, the reaction from most of my scientific colleagues was: 498 00:23:57,573 --> 00:24:03,073 "What are you doing? No one 's ever done that before. Is that really scientific?" 499 00:24:03,097 --> 00:24:05,597 And of course if they thought about it a little bit, they'd say: 500 00:24:05,621 --> 00:24:08,621 "Actually it's a really important problem, you should study that." 501 00:24:09,045 --> 00:24:12,045 Almost every aspect in personality has a strong genetic basis. 502 00:24:12,669 --> 00:24:15,469 Being gay is just one of those. It just happens to be more 503 00:24:15,493 --> 00:24:17,493 controversial than most of the other ones. 504 00:24:17,517 --> 00:24:23,117 All right, well, if it's only a gene that can be destroyed, why can't we just destroy it, and thus be straight? 505 00:24:23,741 --> 00:24:27,841 Because it's not just a gene, it's also what happens in your brain, 506 00:24:27,865 --> 00:24:34,265 your pattern of thoughts, of feelings and emotions that develop over your entire life. 507 00:24:34,389 --> 00:24:40,389 So even though that they have started out, has no more than a few genes, a few cells in your brain. 508 00:24:40,413 --> 00:24:43,413 It is now part of who you are. 509 00:24:43,437 --> 00:24:49,237 So changing your orientation would be the same as changing everything about you, 510 00:24:49,261 --> 00:24:52,761 which nobody can do and which nobody should be forced to do. 511 00:24:53,185 --> 00:24:58,385 All right, is it OK if I use your comments, and you and your partner's faces in this video? 512 00:24:58,409 --> 00:25:00,709 Yes, that would be fine. 513 00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:02,733 - Joe? - I do agree with this. Yes. 514 00:25:03,157 --> 00:25:04,457 OK. 515 00:25:06,381 --> 00:25:10,481 I wasn't sure if we'd hear again from the folks who condemned our wedding announcement in the paper. 516 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:11,509 Hey. How are you? 517 00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:14,332 But when pastor Micklos called to invite us to lunch with his family, 518 00:25:14,451 --> 00:25:16,452 I thought I'd see where it would lead. 519 00:25:16,653 --> 00:25:19,055 When you contacted me or I contacted you 520 00:25:19,056 --> 00:25:21,223 Or however it occurred, 521 00:25:21,224 --> 00:25:22,825 One of the things that I prayed 522 00:25:22,826 --> 00:25:25,694 Was that you would see Christ in us. 523 00:25:25,695 --> 00:25:28,063 I just don't see my life through a christian framework. 524 00:25:28,064 --> 00:25:31,100 That's just not how I want to view the world, you know. 525 00:25:31,101 --> 00:25:33,469 But can we, at some point though, 526 00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:35,671 Get to a point where we respect that 527 00:25:35,672 --> 00:25:37,339 And respect each other? 528 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:39,608 Well, no. 529 00:25:41,277 --> 00:25:44,479 I mean, I can respect your christian beliefs, 530 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,615 But if 531 00:25:46,683 --> 00:25:48,984 Some of those beliefs 532 00:25:48,985 --> 00:25:51,320 Are aimed at limiting 533 00:25:51,321 --> 00:25:54,022 Other people's full participation in society, 534 00:25:54,023 --> 00:25:55,691 No, I can't respect that. 535 00:25:55,792 --> 00:25:57,126 I have to struggle against that. 536 00:25:57,327 --> 00:26:00,863 I can respect the Mark Micklos that I know 537 00:26:00,864 --> 00:26:02,364 In hopes that he reaches 538 00:26:02,365 --> 00:26:04,333 A higher point of enlightenment, 539 00:26:04,334 --> 00:26:06,135 And that I would be his friend, 540 00:26:06,136 --> 00:26:07,936 You know, through that process. 541 00:26:07,937 --> 00:26:09,838 And that's where we're at. 542 00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,007 Yeah. 543 00:26:19,615 --> 00:26:22,150 Bills: What was your first thought 544 00:26:22,151 --> 00:26:23,985 When I first came out? 545 00:26:24,186 --> 00:26:27,055 My first reaction was probably... 546 00:26:27,056 --> 00:26:28,724 I was probably shocked. 547 00:26:28,725 --> 00:26:29,992 Why? 548 00:26:30,059 --> 00:26:31,426 Just because - 549 00:26:31,427 --> 00:26:33,662 You think I was putting on a front? 550 00:26:33,663 --> 00:26:37,599 No. I just didn't really think you'd come out. 551 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:39,067 Laura? 552 00:26:39,135 --> 00:26:40,268 Yes? 553 00:26:40,336 --> 00:26:41,770 Your turn. 554 00:26:41,837 --> 00:26:43,439 You have to ask me a question. 555 00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:45,641 How did you feel when richie first came out? 556 00:26:45,642 --> 00:26:47,309 I was happy for him and stuff. 557 00:26:47,310 --> 00:26:49,044 You know, I was happy for you, too, 558 00:26:49,045 --> 00:26:50,479 'cause you finally came out. 559 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,948 Like, 'cause, you know, if you're gay, 560 00:26:52,949 --> 00:26:56,018 You've always been gay, but you finally came out, 561 00:26:56,019 --> 00:26:58,754 So I don't know, I was just happy for you. 562 00:27:00,755 --> 00:27:03,224 I could never 563 00:27:03,225 --> 00:27:04,892 Deny who I am. 564 00:27:04,993 --> 00:27:06,662 I couldn't deny it. 565 00:27:07,263 --> 00:27:08,997 I was trying to find ways around it, 566 00:27:08,998 --> 00:27:10,865 But people kept directing the question, 567 00:27:10,866 --> 00:27:12,968 "are you gay?" to my face. 568 00:27:12,969 --> 00:27:15,837 I didn't know what to say, but I couldn't deny who I was, 569 00:27:15,838 --> 00:27:17,606 So I ended up having - 570 00:27:17,607 --> 00:27:22,010 I ended up saying that, "you know what, yeah. 571 00:27:22,011 --> 00:27:26,114 So what is it to you? Big deal." 572 00:27:26,115 --> 00:27:30,552 And I guess it was a big deal to everybody. 573 00:27:30,553 --> 00:27:33,521 I know that everybody cared because at that day, 574 00:27:33,522 --> 00:27:35,290 Everybody began to hate me. 575 00:27:35,291 --> 00:27:38,627 I was no longer anybody that anyone liked. 576 00:27:38,628 --> 00:27:41,271 Everybody hated C.J. Bills. 577 00:27:47,036 --> 00:27:49,671 Henderson: It's actually rather phenomenal, 578 00:27:49,672 --> 00:27:52,440 And sometimes a little scary, that so much has happened 579 00:27:52,441 --> 00:27:55,010 In such a short amount of time. 580 00:27:55,011 --> 00:27:57,245 Wilson: Roxanne and Linda had decided 581 00:27:57,246 --> 00:27:58,913 To buy and renovate the Latonia, 582 00:27:58,914 --> 00:28:00,148 A historic theater 583 00:28:00,149 --> 00:28:01,583 That had seen better days. 584 00:28:01,584 --> 00:28:02,784 They wanted to help 585 00:28:02,785 --> 00:28:05,520 Revitalize downtown oil city by creating 586 00:28:05,521 --> 00:28:07,522 A space for special events. 587 00:28:07,523 --> 00:28:08,823 Hitchcock: I came in for a massage 588 00:28:08,824 --> 00:28:11,226 One day, and my massage therapist said, 589 00:28:11,227 --> 00:28:13,495 "you know, the original chandelier is here - 590 00:28:13,496 --> 00:28:14,963 You gotta go see it." 591 00:28:14,964 --> 00:28:18,233 She loaned me this tiny, little itty-bitty flashlight, 592 00:28:18,234 --> 00:28:19,902 And I snuck up, and the door was unlocked, 593 00:28:19,903 --> 00:28:22,471 The room was dark, and I came in, 594 00:28:23,372 --> 00:28:25,908 And my little heart just went pitter-patter. 595 00:28:26,209 --> 00:28:30,512 I could not believe something like that was here in oil city. 596 00:28:31,113 --> 00:28:35,817 It just seemed almost criminal to me that it was, 597 00:28:35,918 --> 00:28:37,919 You know, just, just sitting. 598 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,254 Hitchcock: The building wasn't even really 599 00:28:39,255 --> 00:28:40,588 On the market - we just called up the guy, 600 00:28:40,589 --> 00:28:42,123 Said, "how much do you want for it?" 601 00:28:42,124 --> 00:28:44,325 He told us, and we said, "Okay." 602 00:28:44,326 --> 00:28:45,560 Let's sign papers, 603 00:28:45,561 --> 00:28:47,395 And we just kind of went from there. 604 00:28:47,396 --> 00:28:50,297 Henderson: Once it's ready, there's got to be a grand opening. 605 00:28:50,366 --> 00:28:51,868 Hitchcock: Yeah, 'cause I don't think that chandelier 606 00:28:51,969 --> 00:28:57,237 Has been lit up in probably 50 years. Wilson: Wow. 607 00:29:00,761 --> 00:29:02,761 '92. Burgin and Corsica. 608 00:29:03,985 --> 00:29:05,585 Did you look at a lot of cars, 609 00:29:05,609 --> 00:29:07,109 Or is this, you know, just kind of came up? 610 00:29:07,133 --> 00:29:09,133 Yeah, like I got a couple grand to throw around 611 00:29:09,157 --> 00:29:10,957 On a nice, fancy-schmancy car. 612 00:29:10,981 --> 00:29:13,381 $150. That was it. 613 00:29:13,905 --> 00:29:15,905 It wasn't even into the 200s. 614 00:29:16,829 --> 00:29:20,029 Still have to get a new exhaust, battery, tires, 615 00:29:20,053 --> 00:29:22,853 The title transferred, my license, 616 00:29:23,877 --> 00:29:25,877 And then I'll be on the road. 617 00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:30,601 I don't think I'll probably ever be able 618 00:29:30,625 --> 00:29:32,145 To, like, walk down through the streets 619 00:29:32,321 --> 00:29:33,497 Of anywhere around here. 620 00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:36,010 I used to have, like, a reputation and stuff 621 00:29:36,234 --> 00:29:38,034 As a bad-ass and all this stuff, 622 00:29:38,058 --> 00:29:40,058 But right now, my life consists 623 00:29:40,582 --> 00:29:43,097 Of being around my animals and my garage 624 00:29:43,121 --> 00:29:44,321 With my mommy. 625 00:29:44,545 --> 00:29:45,697 What are you thinking about? 626 00:29:45,698 --> 00:29:46,897 What am I thinking about? 627 00:29:46,921 --> 00:29:48,921 When you're sitting here in your car. 628 00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:50,550 Nothing, really. 629 00:29:51,874 --> 00:29:53,874 Eventually, once in a while, wondering 630 00:29:53,898 --> 00:29:56,398 If this thing will actually ever leave this garage. 631 00:30:25,598 --> 00:30:27,533 Wilson: After C.J. told me that he was sticking 632 00:30:27,634 --> 00:30:29,135 close to home to avoid being hassled, 633 00:30:29,636 --> 00:30:31,237 I didn't see him for a while. 634 00:30:31,538 --> 00:30:32,838 His high school's homecoming 635 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:34,907 Was his first time out of the house in months. 636 00:30:35,408 --> 00:30:37,943 Here comes C.J. Over there. 637 00:30:37,944 --> 00:30:40,412 He's walking by - let's go. 638 00:30:40,913 --> 00:30:43,048 What's up, guys? 639 00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:44,849 Hey, what's up, dude? How you doing? 640 00:30:44,850 --> 00:30:47,052 What's going on? So how you been? 641 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:48,120 Pretty peachy. 642 00:30:48,121 --> 00:30:49,288 Yeah? 643 00:30:49,355 --> 00:30:50,555 Place good? 644 00:30:50,556 --> 00:30:51,556 I like your earrings. 645 00:30:51,557 --> 00:30:52,557 Thank you. 646 00:30:52,558 --> 00:30:54,393 Gotta make sure I look cute 647 00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:56,069 When I go out in public. 648 00:30:58,198 --> 00:30:59,264 Where'd the guys go? 649 00:30:59,265 --> 00:31:01,100 They didn't want to be on camera, huh? 650 00:31:01,101 --> 00:31:05,137 I don't know. They drifted somewhere. 651 00:31:05,138 --> 00:31:07,539 Wilson: It was great 652 00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:09,208 To see C.J. Out of the house. 653 00:31:09,209 --> 00:31:12,845 But I didn't want to make him nervous around his friends. 654 00:31:12,846 --> 00:31:16,523 I told him I'd catch up with him later. 655 00:31:22,288 --> 00:31:23,989 Bills: When I was leaving the game, 656 00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:26,191 There was a whole group of skater kids outside, 657 00:31:26,192 --> 00:31:27,492 Like, "are you still gay?" 658 00:31:27,493 --> 00:31:29,695 I went, "I ain't a faggot. What you talking about?" 659 00:31:29,696 --> 00:31:31,029 And they were like, "Oh, okay." 660 00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:33,598 And they just watched me walk away and stuff, 661 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,702 And I was like, oh, god - damn. 662 00:31:36,703 --> 00:31:38,437 Wilson: You know, once you kind of come out, 663 00:31:38,438 --> 00:31:40,138 I mean, it's hard to, like - 664 00:31:40,139 --> 00:31:41,206 Go back in? 665 00:31:41,207 --> 00:31:42,207 Yeah. 666 00:31:42,242 --> 00:31:43,342 Noticed. 667 00:31:43,409 --> 00:31:44,877 Yeah. 668 00:31:45,144 --> 00:31:48,146 I actually had people talk to me 669 00:31:48,147 --> 00:31:49,314 On Friday. 670 00:31:49,382 --> 00:31:50,649 I never - that hasn't happened 671 00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:51,917 Since last year. 672 00:31:51,918 --> 00:31:53,852 Wilson: Yeah, we noticed a lot of people 673 00:31:53,853 --> 00:31:56,088 Came up and kind of greeted you, gave you a hug. 674 00:31:56,089 --> 00:31:57,289 Mm-hmm. 675 00:31:57,357 --> 00:31:59,057 And that's because they think 676 00:31:59,058 --> 00:32:01,426 You're not what they thought you were? 677 00:32:01,427 --> 00:32:02,728 Mm-mm, cover it up. 678 00:32:02,729 --> 00:32:05,931 At least until I get away from here. 679 00:32:05,932 --> 00:32:10,469 Springer: You shouldn't have to live in denial, you know? 680 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:12,003 But I know there's been times 681 00:32:12,004 --> 00:32:13,772 Where he wished he would have just 682 00:32:13,773 --> 00:32:16,141 Kept his mouth shut, and nobody would know, and - 683 00:32:16,142 --> 00:32:18,076 Bills: Oh, every time I go into public, 684 00:32:18,077 --> 00:32:20,445 I wish I wouldn't ever opened my mouth. 685 00:32:20,446 --> 00:32:23,982 Every single day. 686 00:32:23,983 --> 00:32:25,183 It's hell. 687 00:32:25,251 --> 00:32:27,452 It's not like D.C. Or New York, 688 00:32:27,653 --> 00:32:29,387 Where everybody's liberal. 689 00:32:29,388 --> 00:32:31,823 I get threatened to get killed. 690 00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:33,900 That ain't fun. 691 00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:40,166 Hi. 692 00:32:41,233 --> 00:32:43,535 Wilson: I'm here tonight to say that I'm deeply concerned 693 00:32:43,536 --> 00:32:45,870 At the charges of harassment, violence, and discrimination 694 00:32:45,871 --> 00:32:48,306 That have roiled the Franklin school district 695 00:32:48,307 --> 00:32:49,841 For the past year and a half. 696 00:32:49,842 --> 00:32:52,077 Gay students and students of color at the high school 697 00:32:52,078 --> 00:32:54,179 Have been the primary targets of these activities. 698 00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:56,081 Their ability to speak for themselves 699 00:32:56,082 --> 00:32:57,749 Is greatly hampered by fears 700 00:32:57,750 --> 00:33:00,252 Of backlash if they do so publicly. 701 00:33:00,253 --> 00:33:01,420 Death threats have been issued 702 00:33:01,421 --> 00:33:03,021 Against students in this school district 703 00:33:03,022 --> 00:33:05,190 And it just pains me 704 00:33:05,191 --> 00:33:06,892 Thato action has actually been taken. 705 00:33:06,893 --> 00:33:08,794 So thank you for accepting these comments 706 00:33:08,795 --> 00:33:10,329 In the public record - I appreciate it, 707 00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:11,730 And I look forward to your response. 708 00:33:11,731 --> 00:33:13,832 Woman: Thank you. 709 00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:16,368 Any other visitors at this time? 710 00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:18,904 Wilson: It was obvious that the school board 711 00:33:18,905 --> 00:33:21,607 Wasn't concerned about C.J. Or any gay student. 712 00:33:21,608 --> 00:33:24,943 But the problem wasn't just with the school. 713 00:33:24,944 --> 00:33:27,913 Man: It can happen to your town. 714 00:33:27,914 --> 00:33:29,348 Afa presents a look at how 715 00:33:29,349 --> 00:33:31,783 A handful of homosexual activists changed the very 716 00:33:31,784 --> 00:33:32,885 Moral fiber of the city. 717 00:33:32,886 --> 00:33:33,953 They are taking over... 718 00:33:33,954 --> 00:33:35,187 Wilson: This video is being promoted 719 00:33:35,188 --> 00:33:36,388 By a local christian radio station 720 00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:38,123 To counter increasingly visible 721 00:33:38,124 --> 00:33:39,458 Gay people in oil city. 722 00:33:39,459 --> 00:33:40,626 As christian people. 723 00:33:40,627 --> 00:33:42,294 Announcer: Learn the strategies used 724 00:33:42,295 --> 00:33:43,896 By gay activists and don't let this 725 00:33:43,897 --> 00:33:44,930 Happen to your city. 726 00:33:44,931 --> 00:33:46,265 Man: If it's not happened 727 00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:47,333 In your town, get ready, 728 00:33:47,334 --> 00:33:48,600 'cause it is going to happen. 729 00:33:48,601 --> 00:33:50,269 Announcer: Purchase your copy 730 00:33:50,270 --> 00:33:52,738 Or a five-pack to share with others today, 731 00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:53,973 And spread the news. 732 00:33:53,974 --> 00:33:56,850 They're coming to your town. 733 00:34:04,116 --> 00:34:05,284 Is that too long? 734 00:34:05,485 --> 00:34:06,918 Henderson: No, that's probably okay. 735 00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:09,354 That's my chainsaw, by the way. 736 00:34:09,355 --> 00:34:10,388 Mine disappeared. 737 00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:11,890 I don't know where mine went. 738 00:34:11,891 --> 00:34:13,459 Wilson: You each have your own chainsaw? 739 00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:14,627 I used to. 740 00:34:14,694 --> 00:34:15,895 Whose is bigger? 741 00:34:15,896 --> 00:34:17,930 Hers would be bigger. 742 00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:20,766 I bet I've cut more wood than she has, though. 743 00:34:21,867 --> 00:34:24,168 Linda and Roxanne were trying to go about their businness. 744 00:34:24,292 --> 00:34:27,566 But when they saw the AFA video accusing people like them 745 00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:29,490 of trying to take over the town, 746 00:34:29,614 --> 00:34:31,614 Linda came up with a poetic response. 747 00:34:31,712 --> 00:34:32,946 Henderson: Why do you suppose 748 00:34:32,947 --> 00:34:34,648 There are empty storefronts? 749 00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:36,783 They're choking our town. 750 00:34:36,784 --> 00:34:39,920 Why do you suppose there's a brain drain? 751 00:34:40,321 --> 00:34:42,556 They're choking our town. 752 00:34:42,757 --> 00:34:46,893 Why do you suppose there is no unique art? 753 00:34:46,894 --> 00:34:49,597 They're choking our town. 754 00:34:50,098 --> 00:34:51,765 It's time for a change. 755 00:34:51,766 --> 00:34:55,611 Stop choking our town. 756 00:34:58,372 --> 00:34:59,506 You like that? 757 00:34:59,507 --> 00:35:00,941 Mm-hmm. 758 00:35:01,208 --> 00:35:03,109 Woman: Hi, guys! 759 00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:04,278 Come on in! 760 00:35:04,379 --> 00:35:06,379 Wilson: Another case of anti-gay discrimination 761 00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:09,249 Had taken place several years earlier in Titusville, 762 00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:11,619 A town just up the road from oil city. 763 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,188 It involved a student named Tim Dahle. 764 00:35:14,189 --> 00:35:16,056 I thought he and his family might be able 765 00:35:16,057 --> 00:35:17,691 To help kathy and C.J. Figure out 766 00:35:17,692 --> 00:35:20,327 How to get their school district to take them more seriously. 767 00:35:20,328 --> 00:35:21,562 Bills: The whole thing started 768 00:35:21,563 --> 00:35:23,263 From me standing up for one kid. 769 00:35:23,864 --> 00:35:25,031 And no one ever, 770 00:35:25,032 --> 00:35:27,133 Ever once said a word to anybody. 771 00:35:27,134 --> 00:35:28,768 They just stood there, my best friends, 772 00:35:28,769 --> 00:35:29,936 People that I've known 773 00:35:29,937 --> 00:35:31,671 Since I was this big. 774 00:35:31,672 --> 00:35:33,440 They just rolled their eyes. 775 00:35:33,441 --> 00:35:34,574 Man: You call them your friends, 776 00:35:34,575 --> 00:35:35,608 You trust them, and then 777 00:35:35,609 --> 00:35:36,876 All of a sudden, they turn on you. 778 00:35:36,877 --> 00:35:38,812 I've been there. 779 00:35:38,813 --> 00:35:41,348 What really irritates me is the fact 780 00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:43,717 That I used to go out of my way 781 00:35:43,718 --> 00:35:48,288 To actually cause bodily harm to gay people. 782 00:35:48,289 --> 00:35:52,058 Okay, we used to use it like a sport, you know? 783 00:35:52,059 --> 00:35:53,893 I mean, it was stupid. 784 00:35:53,894 --> 00:35:55,528 And then when you came out of the closet 785 00:35:55,529 --> 00:35:57,664 And told me that you were gay, I thought, 786 00:35:57,665 --> 00:35:59,366 "Oh, no, no, no. You can't be." 787 00:35:59,367 --> 00:36:00,867 And I got to thinking, 788 00:36:00,868 --> 00:36:02,902 That gay kid's yours. 789 00:36:02,903 --> 00:36:04,671 You going to disown him 790 00:36:04,672 --> 00:36:07,407 Because of his sexual orientation? 791 00:36:07,408 --> 00:36:10,143 Or are you going to love him for who he is inside? 792 00:36:10,144 --> 00:36:11,644 And I thought, "the hell with it. 793 00:36:11,645 --> 00:36:13,513 I'm going to love him for who he is inside." 794 00:36:13,514 --> 00:36:17,183 All right, and I tell you what, you try to shed 40 years 795 00:36:17,184 --> 00:36:19,753 Of hatred overnight. 796 00:36:19,754 --> 00:36:21,054 It's just not done. 797 00:36:21,055 --> 00:36:24,190 It's something you got to learn how to live with, 798 00:36:24,191 --> 00:36:26,693 Deal with, and you got to be sincere. 799 00:36:26,694 --> 00:36:27,861 I mean, he's my kid. 800 00:36:27,862 --> 00:36:30,030 I'm not going to turn my back on him. 801 00:36:30,031 --> 00:36:33,633 I won't - I won't never turn my back on him. 802 00:36:33,634 --> 00:36:36,169 I - I gotta eat. See you guys. 803 00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:38,038 Wilson: All right. Thanks, Ron. 804 00:36:38,339 --> 00:36:41,040 Woman: I can't believe you got him on camera. 805 00:36:41,041 --> 00:36:42,275 Shock of all shocks! 806 00:36:42,276 --> 00:36:45,012 I never thought that would happen. 807 00:36:45,313 --> 00:36:46,613 Wilson: It seemed like kathy 808 00:36:46,614 --> 00:36:48,081 Really perked up when diane told her 809 00:36:48,082 --> 00:36:50,417 That their lawsuit had forced the school district 810 00:36:50,418 --> 00:36:51,885 To implement diversity training 811 00:36:51,886 --> 00:36:53,587 That included sexual orientation. 812 00:36:53,588 --> 00:36:55,022 Diane: We were the first people 813 00:36:55,023 --> 00:36:56,256 In all these years 814 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,525 To stand up to our school system. 815 00:36:58,526 --> 00:37:01,128 And it was because what they were doing was wrong. 816 00:37:01,129 --> 00:37:02,195 Yeah. 817 00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:03,697 Springer: It breaks my heart. 818 00:37:03,698 --> 00:37:06,233 I mean, I could just cry. 819 00:37:06,234 --> 00:37:08,735 And that there are other kids out there 820 00:37:08,736 --> 00:37:11,004 Going through similar situations - 821 00:37:11,005 --> 00:37:12,906 None of this should ever happen. 822 00:37:12,907 --> 00:37:15,709 I don't know that I'll change the world, 823 00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:19,112 But if I can even just educate a few people, like, 824 00:37:19,113 --> 00:37:25,091 Look, they weren't put on this earth to be tortured like this. 825 00:37:27,955 --> 00:37:30,090 We're getting ready for the grand opening. 826 00:37:30,091 --> 00:37:31,558 And all of a sudden, 827 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:35,195 Diane Gramley sent out a letter 828 00:37:35,196 --> 00:37:39,533 Warning everyone about how dangerous we are and - 829 00:37:39,534 --> 00:37:41,668 We have this homosexual agenda. 830 00:37:41,669 --> 00:37:44,237 And her brother goes to work with a guy 831 00:37:44,238 --> 00:37:46,840 Whose minister stood right in the pulpit 832 00:37:46,841 --> 00:37:49,042 And said to boycott the Latonia. 833 00:37:49,243 --> 00:37:51,177 What? 834 00:37:51,245 --> 00:37:52,512 Where is that coming from? 835 00:37:52,513 --> 00:37:53,613 Diane Gramley. 836 00:37:53,614 --> 00:37:54,881 She's started an all-in, all-out 837 00:37:54,882 --> 00:37:56,950 Campaign against us. 838 00:37:56,951 --> 00:37:58,451 And she's saying to people, 839 00:37:58,452 --> 00:38:00,020 "don't do business with the Latonia"? 840 00:38:00,021 --> 00:38:01,021 Yes. Yes. 841 00:38:01,088 --> 00:38:02,689 Because it's run by a lesbian couple. 842 00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:05,625 Yes - we just wanted to have a business. 843 00:38:05,626 --> 00:38:08,528 If all the city wants is churches, 844 00:38:08,529 --> 00:38:09,996 Then what do they need 845 00:38:09,997 --> 00:38:13,706 An art deco theater for? 846 00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:19,630 There's something that's going on in our Senate, in House of Representatives, 847 00:38:19,654 --> 00:38:22,554 pretty much as we speak right now, it's a hay consville 848 00:38:23,678 --> 00:38:24,978 it's pretty much saying that... 849 00:38:25,902 --> 00:38:29,602 if I, as a pastor, would share from the pulpit the word of God, 850 00:38:29,803 --> 00:38:33,504 about homosexuality, someone in my congregation took that, 851 00:38:33,528 --> 00:38:38,128 did something against any individual who is a homosexual, 852 00:38:38,152 --> 00:38:40,752 I can be prosecuted as well, 853 00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:43,376 for shating the word of God from the pulpit. 854 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,400 This is information that Diane Gramley forwarded in an email as loud as well. 855 00:38:49,724 --> 00:38:53,124 Father God, you allmighty God, you created this world. 856 00:38:53,648 --> 00:38:56,048 We thank you for your love that shows no discrimination 857 00:38:56,172 --> 00:38:57,772 and against anybody. 858 00:38:57,896 --> 00:38:59,896 And more you know these debates that are going on, 859 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,920 in House and in the Senate, you can supernaturally reach down there 860 00:39:04,044 --> 00:39:07,044 and stop those many women from voting yes on this bild today. 861 00:39:07,668 --> 00:39:09,668 And so Father God we just pray that this bill 862 00:39:10,192 --> 00:39:12,192 will be defeated somewhere, somehow Lord, 863 00:39:13,416 --> 00:39:15,416 and we pray this in Jesus, amen. 864 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,140 We as Cristians, we don't hate the homosexuals. 865 00:39:20,564 --> 00:39:22,402 I could have been a homosexual. 866 00:39:22,403 --> 00:39:23,802 I'm single. 867 00:39:23,926 --> 00:39:25,426 I've had feelings. 868 00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:28,450 You had feelings of attraction to women? 869 00:39:28,498 --> 00:39:31,198 I had feelins, yes, but I knew they were wrong. 870 00:39:31,722 --> 00:39:34,022 Before I ever even read it in the Bible. 871 00:39:34,246 --> 00:39:36,246 You know, the scriptures say... 872 00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:38,770 we've got to have some rules to live by... 873 00:39:40,094 --> 00:39:42,394 As the AFA and their followers were trying to use 874 00:39:42,718 --> 00:39:46,218 scripture rules and prayer to limit legal protection for gay people 875 00:39:46,606 --> 00:39:47,840 The state of Pennsylvania 876 00:39:47,841 --> 00:39:50,543 Was considering expanding its anti-discrimination law 877 00:39:50,544 --> 00:39:52,879 To include sexual orientation. 878 00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:56,081 Kathy was invited to tell her story 879 00:39:56,082 --> 00:39:59,150 About discrimination at C.J.'s school at a public hearing. 880 00:39:59,351 --> 00:40:01,352 I'm not a public speaker. 881 00:40:01,353 --> 00:40:04,455 But - and I don't know what I'd say. 882 00:40:04,456 --> 00:40:08,493 I just, I need to hear how it's going and - 883 00:40:08,694 --> 00:40:10,628 Wilson: I've printed out a copy of the law, 884 00:40:10,629 --> 00:40:12,163 So we can look at it. Okay, good, good. 885 00:40:12,164 --> 00:40:13,697 Yeah, that would be good. 886 00:40:13,698 --> 00:40:15,466 Where you see the underline, 887 00:40:15,467 --> 00:40:17,735 It's trying to add "sexual orientation, 888 00:40:17,736 --> 00:40:19,871 Gender identity, or expression." 889 00:40:20,072 --> 00:40:21,839 You know, I don't understand 890 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,110 Where they even get off not including 891 00:40:26,111 --> 00:40:27,879 Gay and lesbian. 892 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,514 You know, let's get, you know, 893 00:40:29,515 --> 00:40:32,091 Our heads out of our asses here. 894 00:40:34,554 --> 00:40:36,788 Gramley: On June 13th, the homosexual special rights 895 00:40:36,889 --> 00:40:39,023 Bill was introduced in Harrisburg. 896 00:40:39,124 --> 00:40:41,459 This is Diane Gramley with the American Family Assocition 897 00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:43,294 Of Pennsylvania, with a call to action. 898 00:40:43,295 --> 00:40:45,163 Advocates for the passage of these bills 899 00:40:45,164 --> 00:40:46,998 Deny they are special rights bills, 900 00:40:46,999 --> 00:40:49,567 But in what other situation is a law specifically written 901 00:40:49,568 --> 00:40:51,269 To include a group of people 902 00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:53,938 Simply because of the sexual activity in which they engage? 903 00:40:53,939 --> 00:40:56,675 They have never been required to sit in the back of the bus 904 00:40:56,676 --> 00:40:59,044 Or drink from designated water fountains. 905 00:40:59,045 --> 00:41:01,513 They've never been considered less than human, 906 00:41:01,514 --> 00:41:03,148 As african americans once were. 907 00:41:03,149 --> 00:41:04,549 Homosexual activists are trying 908 00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:06,217 To hijack the civil rights movement 909 00:41:06,218 --> 00:41:07,419 By pulling the victim card 910 00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:09,120 And trying to seek the normalization 911 00:41:09,121 --> 00:41:10,655 Of their destructive lifestyle. 912 00:41:12,156 --> 00:41:15,924 Wilson: People like Diane Are using misinformation 913 00:41:15,961 --> 00:41:18,462 To stir up irrational fears, to kind of 914 00:41:18,463 --> 00:41:20,464 Push people back into the closet. 915 00:41:20,465 --> 00:41:21,699 It's not going to happen. 916 00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,034 But when they stir up that fear, 917 00:41:23,035 --> 00:41:24,202 That's what creates the problems. 918 00:41:24,203 --> 00:41:25,670 That's what puts people like C.J. At risk. 919 00:41:25,671 --> 00:41:26,704 At risk. Okay. 920 00:41:26,705 --> 00:41:27,805 Because those messages 921 00:41:27,806 --> 00:41:29,374 Go out there and says, "oh, those a are 922 00:41:29,375 --> 00:41:30,875 The people we're supposed to hate." 923 00:41:30,876 --> 00:41:32,310 You know, can you imagine, I mean, 924 00:41:32,311 --> 00:41:35,179 Just seeing somebody at a party and saying, 925 00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:36,714 "oh, that's the faggot. 926 00:41:36,715 --> 00:41:39,484 "let's go, you know, punch him, literally 927 00:41:39,485 --> 00:41:40,552 Knock him out -" 928 00:41:40,553 --> 00:41:42,186 Can I imagine that? Oh, yeah. 929 00:41:42,187 --> 00:41:44,255 I- I can imagine that. 930 00:41:44,256 --> 00:41:49,060 I mean, I was that type of a person at one time. 931 00:41:49,061 --> 00:41:52,497 Now, that may be shocking to you. 932 00:41:52,498 --> 00:41:56,034 But in my journey in life, I'm no longer like that, 933 00:41:56,035 --> 00:41:57,635 And a big part of that 934 00:41:57,636 --> 00:42:00,271 Is my christianity, my faith in Christ. 935 00:42:00,272 --> 00:42:02,874 You know, I truly believe that Jesus Christ 936 00:42:02,875 --> 00:42:07,045 Has changed my character, so that I don't do that, 937 00:42:07,046 --> 00:42:08,647 Nor do I want to do those things anymore. 938 00:42:08,848 --> 00:42:10,648 I mean, those are wrong. It's wrong to do that. 939 00:42:10,649 --> 00:42:11,983 It's wrong to violate... 940 00:42:11,984 --> 00:42:14,285 You know, anybody. 941 00:42:14,286 --> 00:42:16,454 I became a different person. 942 00:42:16,455 --> 00:42:18,790 Do you think there will come a time, though, when we 943 00:42:18,791 --> 00:42:21,693 Don't disagree about 944 00:42:21,694 --> 00:42:23,261 The place that gay, lesbian, 945 00:42:23,262 --> 00:42:25,797 Bisexual, and trans people have in the world? 946 00:42:26,198 --> 00:42:30,034 Maybe aspects of it. I don't know. 947 00:42:30,035 --> 00:42:31,335 I don't know. 948 00:42:31,336 --> 00:42:33,004 You know... 949 00:42:33,005 --> 00:42:36,240 I'd have to... 950 00:42:36,541 --> 00:42:38,642 That would be a big - that would be 951 00:42:38,643 --> 00:42:40,478 A big change for me, you know? 952 00:42:41,379 --> 00:42:44,514 Wilson: My interactions with pastor Micklos were odd. 953 00:42:45,317 --> 00:42:46,817 Ever since the wedding announcement, 954 00:42:46,818 --> 00:42:49,686 I felt like I had been battling Against people who use religion 955 00:42:50,155 --> 00:42:52,924 To deny gay people basic rights of visibility. 956 00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:56,527 Pastor micklos was open to looking at things 957 00:42:56,528 --> 00:42:57,862 In a different way. 958 00:42:57,963 --> 00:42:59,697 I'd never thought I'd become friends 959 00:42:59,698 --> 00:43:01,799 With someone who didn't view me as his equal. 960 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,703 But his willingness to examine his own beliefs 961 00:43:05,704 --> 00:43:08,105 Was helping me to see that not all religious people 962 00:43:08,106 --> 00:43:10,174 Fell into the box that I often put them in. 963 00:43:10,375 --> 00:43:12,176 Good afternoon, joe, how are you doing? 964 00:43:12,177 --> 00:43:13,677 Wilson: Hi, diane, how are you? 965 00:43:13,678 --> 00:43:16,080 I wanted to introduce you to kathy springer and C.J. 966 00:43:16,081 --> 00:43:17,748 Oh, okay, good, nice to meet you. 967 00:43:17,749 --> 00:43:19,450 Thank you, it's nice to meet you. 968 00:43:19,451 --> 00:43:23,087 Wilson: C.J. Is the young boy who was in franklin high school 969 00:43:23,088 --> 00:43:26,190 And was experiencing harassment and discrimination. 970 00:43:26,191 --> 00:43:27,725 Okay, the one that was on your video? 971 00:43:27,726 --> 00:43:29,326 Wilson: Yeah. What do you think of that? 972 00:43:29,327 --> 00:43:32,803 Well, I need to get in here to the meeting, excuse me. 973 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,833 Woman: Diane Gramley 974 00:43:35,834 --> 00:43:38,536 From the american family association 975 00:43:38,537 --> 00:43:40,638 Of pennsylvania. 976 00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:41,773 Gramley: Civil rights protections 977 00:43:41,774 --> 00:43:42,774 Have long been fought for 978 00:43:42,775 --> 00:43:44,809 By disenfranchised groups of people. 979 00:43:44,810 --> 00:43:48,947 African americans led the fight for civil rights, 980 00:43:48,948 --> 00:43:50,915 Seeking the right to vote and to no longer 981 00:43:50,916 --> 00:43:53,151 Be required to sit at the back of the bus. 982 00:43:53,152 --> 00:43:55,253 But a person's skin color or national origin 983 00:43:55,254 --> 00:43:56,554 Is unchangeable. 984 00:43:56,755 --> 00:44:01,358 Wilson: Again, gramley was trying to use race As a wedge to divide. 985 00:44:02,027 --> 00:44:04,062 But this time, she was dealing with legislators 986 00:44:04,063 --> 00:44:05,897 Who were experienced in civil rights law. 987 00:44:05,898 --> 00:44:08,967 I was hoping they'd be more open to kathy's testimony. 988 00:44:08,968 --> 00:44:10,502 Springer: I'm sorry, I'm already nervous. 989 00:44:10,503 --> 00:44:12,837 I'm not a public speaker. 990 00:44:12,838 --> 00:44:15,240 At this time I'd like to tell you 991 00:44:15,241 --> 00:44:16,941 About my son, C.J. Bills. 992 00:44:16,942 --> 00:44:19,010 At the time, he was 15 years old 993 00:44:19,011 --> 00:44:21,613 And attended a public school in venango county. 994 00:44:21,614 --> 00:44:25,016 There was an incident on a school bus one day. 995 00:44:25,017 --> 00:44:26,851 He was on a field trip. 996 00:44:26,852 --> 00:44:28,453 There were teachers monitoring 997 00:44:28,454 --> 00:44:30,255 This whole trip. 998 00:44:30,256 --> 00:44:31,689 Kids were throwing things 999 00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:33,725 At him, calling him "faggot," 1000 00:44:33,726 --> 00:44:36,394 "queer," "gay," asking if he wanted 1001 00:44:36,395 --> 00:44:38,663 To perform sex acts on them. 1002 00:44:38,664 --> 00:44:41,065 The teachers just turned their head 1003 00:44:41,066 --> 00:44:42,901 And acted like it never happened. 1004 00:44:42,902 --> 00:44:44,936 We've had our house 1005 00:44:44,937 --> 00:44:47,238 Threatened to be burned down. 1006 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,074 We've gotten phone calls by these boys, saying, 1007 00:44:50,075 --> 00:44:52,277 "We want to see what color a faggot bleeds." 1008 00:44:52,278 --> 00:44:55,880 He was vulnerable, he was scared, 1009 00:44:55,881 --> 00:44:57,482 He didn't want to go to school. 1010 00:44:57,483 --> 00:45:00,285 His grades were dropping. 1011 00:45:00,286 --> 00:45:03,988 He was suicidal. 1012 00:45:03,989 --> 00:45:07,725 I, um, I just have one more thing 1013 00:45:07,726 --> 00:45:11,329 To say - I hope it never comes to your family, 1014 00:45:11,330 --> 00:45:13,665 Where one of your children are tortured 1015 00:45:13,666 --> 00:45:15,033 For being who they are. 1016 00:45:15,034 --> 00:45:18,236 Thank you. 1017 00:45:20,272 --> 00:45:23,274 Sometimes black people have a problem 1018 00:45:23,275 --> 00:45:25,577 With people who are different 1019 00:45:25,578 --> 00:45:29,714 Comparing their experiences 1020 00:45:29,715 --> 00:45:32,217 With the black experience. 1021 00:45:32,218 --> 00:45:34,319 Because of your experience, 1022 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,621 You're going to be able to help other young people 1023 00:45:36,622 --> 00:45:40,391 So that maybe tomorrow this doesn't happen. 1024 00:45:40,392 --> 00:45:41,526 God bless you for it. 1025 00:45:41,527 --> 00:45:44,362 Be who you are, no matter what. 1026 00:45:44,363 --> 00:45:45,463 Thank you very much. 1027 00:45:45,464 --> 00:45:47,942 Springer: Thank you. 1028 00:45:52,771 --> 00:45:54,506 Wilson: Diane and group, we actually wanted 1029 00:45:54,507 --> 00:45:55,974 To ask you how you respond 1030 00:45:55,975 --> 00:45:58,676 To the very personal testimonies of C.J. And kathy. 1031 00:45:58,677 --> 00:46:00,845 Like I said at the beginning of my testimony, 1032 00:46:00,846 --> 00:46:02,514 I thought it was awful information. 1033 00:46:02,515 --> 00:46:04,949 And the franklin school district should not have done to him 1034 00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:06,017 What they permitted to do. 1035 00:46:06,018 --> 00:46:07,085 So will you join us 1036 00:46:07,086 --> 00:46:08,620 In fighting discrimination - no - 1037 00:46:08,621 --> 00:46:10,488 Against gay and lesbian people in franklin? 1038 00:46:10,489 --> 00:46:11,623 Not, we're not going to - 1039 00:46:11,624 --> 00:46:12,924 We're not going to join you. 1040 00:46:12,925 --> 00:46:14,092 Why not? No. 1041 00:46:14,093 --> 00:46:18,596 Because of the roads that that will open. 1042 00:46:18,997 --> 00:46:22,400 Wilson: Kathy's testimony may not have influenced gramley, 1043 00:46:22,401 --> 00:46:24,735 But it did have an impact on the legislators. 1044 00:46:24,736 --> 00:46:26,571 After the hearing, 1045 00:46:26,572 --> 00:46:29,741 One of the staff offered to help kathy and C.J. Contact the aclu 1046 00:46:29,742 --> 00:46:32,410 To press a legal case against their school district. 1047 00:46:32,411 --> 00:46:35,179 Springer: Prior to this, I figured, the aclu - 1048 00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:36,280 What the heck? 1049 00:46:36,281 --> 00:46:37,915 All they can do is tell me no, you know. 1050 00:46:37,916 --> 00:46:40,451 Well, the next thing I know, 1051 00:46:40,452 --> 00:46:42,587 I got a return phone call. 1052 00:46:42,588 --> 00:46:44,622 And we had a great lawyer 1053 00:46:44,623 --> 00:46:46,434 From the aclu. 1054 00:46:53,065 --> 00:46:55,066 Wilson: What do you think about the Latonia? 1055 00:46:55,067 --> 00:46:57,168 Boy: I'm glad that roxanne got it, 1056 00:46:57,169 --> 00:46:58,969 Because there was a guy that wanted to scrap 1057 00:46:58,970 --> 00:47:00,438 The whole place out piece by piece. 1058 00:47:00,439 --> 00:47:03,941 And look at that - that picture 1059 00:47:03,942 --> 00:47:05,910 Of that chandelier. 1060 00:47:05,911 --> 00:47:09,080 It's just, like, scary! 1061 00:47:09,081 --> 00:47:11,082 It could fall any second! 1062 00:47:11,083 --> 00:47:13,559 And plus, it's great! 1063 00:47:19,057 --> 00:47:21,859 Wilson: Just two days before the grand opening, 1064 00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:24,028 Roxanne and Linda got a call from a neighboring 1065 00:47:24,029 --> 00:47:26,564 Businessman about their "homosexual agenda" 1066 00:47:26,565 --> 00:47:27,565 At the Latonia. 1067 00:47:27,766 --> 00:47:29,100 What happened on that phone call you got? 1068 00:47:29,101 --> 00:47:30,367 Hitchcock: I said, 1069 00:47:30,368 --> 00:47:32,336 "if you want to listen to people like diane gramley," 1070 00:47:32,337 --> 00:47:33,671 I said, "you're welcome to, but," I said, 1071 00:47:33,672 --> 00:47:34,672 "you know what? 1072 00:47:34,773 --> 00:47:35,873 "we're trying to do something 1073 00:47:35,874 --> 00:47:37,541 Wonderful for the community here." 1074 00:47:37,542 --> 00:47:39,643 And I said, "I want to know what diane gramley 1075 00:47:39,644 --> 00:47:41,312 Has done to promote the community." 1076 00:47:41,313 --> 00:47:42,313 Yeah. 1077 00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:43,581 "Besides her witch hunts." 1078 00:47:43,582 --> 00:47:45,082 Yeah! I said, "she's always 1079 00:47:45,083 --> 00:47:47,084 On a witch hunt about something." 1080 00:47:47,085 --> 00:47:48,185 Did you say that? 1081 00:47:48,186 --> 00:47:50,187 Yes, I did. 1082 00:47:50,188 --> 00:47:54,291 Henderson: The negative messages sting so bad 1083 00:47:54,292 --> 00:47:56,026 That it takes, probably, 1084 00:47:56,027 --> 00:47:58,362 100 positive to keep you on track - 1085 00:47:58,363 --> 00:48:01,567 When it's that hateful. 1086 00:48:04,768 --> 00:48:06,936 Wilson: After kathy and C.J.'s case 1087 00:48:06,937 --> 00:48:08,772 About discrimination at the high school 1088 00:48:08,773 --> 00:48:10,391 Got attention in the community, 1089 00:48:10,392 --> 00:48:11,775 The local college brought in 1090 00:48:11,776 --> 00:48:14,178 A gay christian performing arts group from pittsburgh 1091 00:48:14,179 --> 00:48:16,680 To help people see things from a youth perspective. 1092 00:48:16,981 --> 00:48:18,816 Somehow, I managed to get 1093 00:48:18,917 --> 00:48:21,351 C.J. And pastor micklos to attend. 1094 00:48:21,352 --> 00:48:24,661 � my soul � 1095 00:48:25,089 --> 00:48:26,323 Woman: I hope that our performance 1096 00:48:26,324 --> 00:48:29,159 Puts a face to gay christians 1097 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,427 And puts a face To gay people. 1098 00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:33,397 There's a lot of people that don't know things 1099 00:48:33,398 --> 00:48:35,699 About gay people, and they have the stereotypical 1100 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:37,868 Assumptions of gay people. 1101 00:48:37,869 --> 00:48:40,437 What you just said about stereotypes, 1102 00:48:40,438 --> 00:48:42,906 Is that reversed at times, as well? 1103 00:48:42,907 --> 00:48:45,275 As far as gay people having 1104 00:48:45,276 --> 00:48:48,479 Stereotypes about straight people? 1105 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,713 Um... 1106 00:48:49,781 --> 00:48:52,216 Man: Yeah. I do it. 1107 00:48:52,217 --> 00:48:53,584 I stereotype straight people 1108 00:48:53,585 --> 00:48:57,761 As dressing badly and - 1109 00:49:00,458 --> 00:49:02,394 Thanks for coming 1110 00:49:03,395 --> 00:49:05,362 How did you guys meet? 1111 00:49:05,363 --> 00:49:06,964 We wrote a letter to the editor, 1112 00:49:06,965 --> 00:49:09,333 And they... Captured us. 1113 00:49:09,334 --> 00:49:11,902 And we became friends. 1114 00:49:11,903 --> 00:49:13,170 Awesome. 1115 00:49:13,238 --> 00:49:14,938 But I'm sorry that part of the reason 1116 00:49:14,939 --> 00:49:16,740 You're not in school is because violence 1117 00:49:16,741 --> 00:49:17,975 Was perpetrated against you. 1118 00:49:17,976 --> 00:49:21,445 Not good under any circumstances. 1119 00:49:21,446 --> 00:49:22,946 Bills: How did he come around 1120 00:49:22,947 --> 00:49:24,314 Like that? 1121 00:49:24,382 --> 00:49:25,983 Wilson: I guess that he's been 1122 00:49:25,984 --> 00:49:27,818 Thinking about it for a little bit. 1123 00:49:27,819 --> 00:49:29,119 Wow. 1124 00:49:29,187 --> 00:49:32,756 At times, we all get stereotyped, don't we? 1125 00:49:32,757 --> 00:49:34,258 Huh? 1126 00:49:34,325 --> 00:49:39,303 Sometimes we're not so bad as our first impressions are. 1127 00:49:41,933 --> 00:49:44,068 Woman: You know there are people 1128 00:49:44,169 --> 00:49:46,604 Who don't care what this guy's spreading. 1129 00:49:46,605 --> 00:49:49,573 And even if they listen, they have seen you at work, 1130 00:49:49,574 --> 00:49:52,076 And they have seen everything you've done. 1131 00:49:52,077 --> 00:49:53,944 I know, but we got a double whammy against us. 1132 00:49:53,945 --> 00:49:55,379 You know that. 1133 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:56,480 I know you do, 1134 00:49:56,481 --> 00:49:58,148 But you have to not let this 1135 00:49:58,149 --> 00:50:00,884 Take away from what you've worked so hard for. 1136 00:50:00,885 --> 00:50:02,486 Please put on your face and say, 1137 00:50:02,487 --> 00:50:05,489 "You're not going to do this to us." 1138 00:50:05,490 --> 00:50:07,625 And make this just be as wonderful 1139 00:50:07,626 --> 00:50:09,159 An event as it can be, 1140 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,327 And is going to be. 1141 00:50:10,328 --> 00:50:11,328 What are we going to say? 1142 00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:12,796 Latonia! 1143 00:50:12,864 --> 00:50:14,965 All: Latonia! 1144 00:50:14,966 --> 00:50:16,267 See? That's what we needed. 1145 00:50:16,268 --> 00:50:18,469 Man: I told joe that you and roxanne 1146 00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:21,572 Have been working sometimes 18-hour days getting this done. 1147 00:50:21,573 --> 00:50:23,807 I can't imagine, because there's many weeks 1148 00:50:23,808 --> 00:50:25,943 That I don't work 18 hours. 1149 00:50:26,344 --> 00:50:29,647 But it hasn't been us by ourselves. 1150 00:50:29,648 --> 00:50:31,448 We've had a lot of people helping, 1151 00:50:31,449 --> 00:50:33,917 And if you're looking now, there's an army up there, 1152 00:50:33,918 --> 00:50:35,586 Helping us get the room ready. 1153 00:50:35,587 --> 00:50:38,489 For kqw 96.3 at the Latonia, 1154 00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:40,665 I'm sam gordon. 1155 00:50:42,460 --> 00:50:44,762 Gordon: Why are you doing it? 1156 00:50:44,763 --> 00:50:46,597 Woman: Because I love rox and Linda 1157 00:50:46,598 --> 00:50:47,598 So much. 1158 00:50:47,632 --> 00:50:50,668 That's the only reason why! 1159 00:50:50,669 --> 00:50:52,936 Joy! 1160 00:50:53,004 --> 00:50:54,505 I'm probably going to cry. 1161 00:50:54,506 --> 00:50:58,709 It's - I - people are coming through 1162 00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:59,877 To let us know. 1163 00:50:59,878 --> 00:51:01,745 � oh, oh, oh, and I'm � 1164 00:51:01,746 --> 00:51:02,980 � wrong, yeah � 1165 00:51:02,981 --> 00:51:05,916 � but I'm still the toughest one � 1166 00:51:05,917 --> 00:51:07,117 Littler: Listen to this. 1167 00:51:07,118 --> 00:51:09,920 "the Latonia's very bold 1168 00:51:09,921 --> 00:51:11,989 "and features one of t biggest 1169 00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:14,191 Chandeliers in the United States!" 1170 00:51:14,192 --> 00:51:18,662 That baby is what I call something! 1171 00:51:20,986 --> 00:51:23,462 Wilson: As the grand opening of the Latonia approached, 1172 00:51:23,863 --> 00:51:25,965 Roxanne and Linda could count on the support 1173 00:51:25,966 --> 00:51:27,367 Of their close friends. 1174 00:51:27,368 --> 00:51:31,367 But it wasn't clear wether the community at large was ready to accept them. 1175 00:51:31,891 --> 00:51:35,167 I hate this community, it just kind of rejects people, 1176 00:51:36,591 --> 00:51:38,391 without even kowing who they are. 1177 00:51:38,515 --> 00:51:40,515 I mean, there's nothing personal, ok? 1178 00:51:40,539 --> 00:51:42,539 It's just... 1179 00:51:45,463 --> 00:51:47,463 how can I say it... 1180 00:51:47,987 --> 00:51:49,387 I guess I'm old fashioned. 1181 00:51:49,411 --> 00:51:52,511 When I walk in the subway and I see too many gather 2 women together, 1182 00:51:52,635 --> 00:51:56,035 I stare, you know, but 10 years ago when I was with my wife 1183 00:51:56,059 --> 00:51:58,559 people stared. Now, I don't get that stare. 1184 00:51:58,568 --> 00:51:59,792 So I mean, it changes over time. 1185 00:51:59,793 --> 00:52:04,467 People are getting a little more accepting of the battage, not a lot. - Yeah. 1186 00:52:04,591 --> 00:52:09,667 I don't know why I've suddenly just, you know, changed my mind. 1187 00:52:09,668 --> 00:52:12,469 I don't think it was as sudden as it seemed. 1188 00:52:12,568 --> 00:52:18,869 People have to confront those issues, beacause those people are neighbours. 1189 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:25,001 Some of the people around here are so... I don't know how you call it, close mind. 1190 00:52:25,093 --> 00:52:29,893 You know, they want their life, they want everybody live the way they want 'em to live, 1191 00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:32,200 Now I guess I was perfect thinking about that too. 1192 00:52:33,141 --> 00:52:34,341 Toa talk to you. 1193 00:52:35,365 --> 00:52:37,265 This is small town America. 1194 00:52:38,289 --> 00:52:40,289 And this is where we are. 1195 00:52:40,813 --> 00:52:43,213 And I think, when people do speak out here, 1196 00:52:43,237 --> 00:52:45,437 they will be surprised. 1197 00:52:45,461 --> 00:52:51,261 By the support that they get, you know, not by the other stuff. 1198 00:53:04,384 --> 00:53:05,451 Okay. 1199 00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:06,685 Wilson: Clutch all the way to the floor, 1200 00:53:06,686 --> 00:53:07,887 Left foot. That one? 1201 00:53:07,888 --> 00:53:09,488 Yeah, but with your left foot. 1202 00:53:09,489 --> 00:53:11,690 And don't let it up. 1203 00:53:11,691 --> 00:53:15,161 Or you'll go right through that garage door. 1204 00:53:15,162 --> 00:53:16,896 Now keep it down and put it in reverse, 1205 00:53:16,897 --> 00:53:18,064 Which is way, way, way back. 1206 00:53:18,065 --> 00:53:19,065 That way? 1207 00:53:19,099 --> 00:53:20,433 Over, yeah. 1208 00:53:20,434 --> 00:53:23,769 Oh, this is a whole new experience of the world here. 1209 00:53:27,306 --> 00:53:28,874 I'm not used to change. 1210 00:53:29,575 --> 00:53:31,576 � hey, hey � 1211 00:53:32,677 --> 00:53:34,176 � remember when we used to play � 1212 00:53:36,977 --> 00:53:42,014 � out in your backyard almost every day? � 1213 00:53:43,038 --> 00:53:46,114 � those were good times � 1214 00:53:47,962 --> 00:53:48,962 Wilson: After two years, 1215 00:53:49,463 --> 00:53:52,332 Kathy and C.J., with the help of the aclu, 1216 00:53:52,333 --> 00:53:55,101 Finally reached a settlement with the school district 1217 00:53:55,102 --> 00:53:56,336 That included a promise 1218 00:53:56,337 --> 00:53:59,439 Of comprehensive anti-discrimination training. 1219 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,175 C.J. And I drove over to the high school 1220 00:54:02,176 --> 00:54:04,043 To meet kathy and the aclu lawyer. 1221 00:54:04,044 --> 00:54:05,245 They were observing the training 1222 00:54:05,246 --> 00:54:06,379 To make sure it included 1223 00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:08,415 Sexual orientation. 1224 00:54:08,916 --> 00:54:11,751 We had to drive my car, because C.J.'s 1225 00:54:11,752 --> 00:54:14,553 $150 special had already been scrapped. 1226 00:54:14,554 --> 00:54:17,123 And when you stop, clutch in, if you're in gear. 1227 00:54:17,124 --> 00:54:18,624 Clutch down, all the way to the floor. 1228 00:54:18,625 --> 00:54:19,625 All right. 1229 00:54:19,626 --> 00:54:20,893 Clutch, man! 1230 00:54:20,894 --> 00:54:23,904 Every time you stop, you gotta use the clutch. 1231 00:54:28,001 --> 00:54:30,236 So, how'd everything go? 1232 00:54:30,237 --> 00:54:32,105 I wish they would have had 1233 00:54:32,106 --> 00:54:35,508 This in-service training program two years ago. 1234 00:54:35,509 --> 00:54:37,677 Maybe we could have avoided 1235 00:54:37,678 --> 00:54:39,378 All of these problems. 1236 00:54:39,379 --> 00:54:40,880 I thought it was very good. 1237 00:54:40,881 --> 00:54:42,849 I was very pleased. I was very pleased. 1238 00:54:43,850 --> 00:54:46,151 My hands are going to freeze off. 1239 00:54:46,152 --> 00:54:48,355 Let's go to the restaurant. 1240 00:54:49,156 --> 00:54:50,656 Okay, dude, let me hear your comments. 1241 00:54:50,657 --> 00:54:52,291 What do you think about that? That's awesome. 1242 00:54:52,292 --> 00:54:54,294 I want to find out if he has, like, 1243 00:54:54,495 --> 00:54:55,895 More programs set up, 1244 00:54:56,096 --> 00:54:59,398 Like, same thing as this, or different ones, or... 1245 00:54:59,399 --> 00:55:00,933 Springer: It's taken us two years, 1246 00:55:00,934 --> 00:55:02,668 But it's a step that I never thought 1247 00:55:02,669 --> 00:55:04,270 Would happen. 1248 00:55:04,271 --> 00:55:06,804 Wilson: And quite a journey For you, I'll say. 1249 00:55:07,007 --> 00:55:10,743 Yeah, I'm just a little old back-hills mom. 1250 00:55:11,144 --> 00:55:12,745 Yeah. 1251 00:55:12,813 --> 00:55:14,513 I - I - 1252 00:55:14,581 --> 00:55:18,618 I'll keep being that voice. 1253 00:55:18,619 --> 00:55:21,954 Even if my son moves away from this area, 1254 00:55:21,955 --> 00:55:24,690 Which he'd like very much to do, 1255 00:55:24,691 --> 00:55:26,459 I'm not going anywhere. 1256 00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:28,327 I'm still going to be here, 1257 00:55:28,328 --> 00:55:31,264 Still going to stand up against the bigots 1258 00:55:31,265 --> 00:55:36,269 Until they wake up and... 1259 00:55:36,270 --> 00:55:40,746 See the world for what it is. 1260 00:55:57,491 --> 00:55:59,325 Welcome to the Latonia. 1261 00:55:59,326 --> 00:56:02,028 Thank you. 1262 00:56:17,177 --> 00:56:18,577 Woman: The spirit of the building 1263 00:56:18,578 --> 00:56:19,912 Is alive again, you know? 1264 00:56:19,913 --> 00:56:21,047 It just is. 1265 00:56:21,048 --> 00:56:23,049 I think this is just another piece 1266 00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:25,318 That's going to come alive and, and add 1267 00:56:25,319 --> 00:56:27,987 To all the other things that are happening here. 1268 00:56:27,988 --> 00:56:29,555 Woman: Oh, I'm excited 1269 00:56:29,556 --> 00:56:30,990 About the vision and the energy 1270 00:56:30,991 --> 00:56:32,458 That people have here to bring this alive. 1271 00:56:32,459 --> 00:56:34,160 It's exciting. 1272 00:56:34,161 --> 00:56:36,028 The chandelier is gorgeous. Yeah. 1273 00:56:36,029 --> 00:56:40,639 I can't wait to see it lit up. 1274 00:56:42,302 --> 00:56:44,302 Henderson: Thank you all for coming this evening.. 1275 00:56:44,438 --> 00:56:48,080 This is a fantastic night. 1276 00:56:48,609 --> 00:56:51,878 When you start on a large project like this, 1277 00:56:51,879 --> 00:56:53,513 You need to celebrate 1278 00:56:53,514 --> 00:56:55,548 Some mile markers. 1279 00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:56,649 But what's exciting 1280 00:56:56,650 --> 00:56:58,951 To me is watching what's happening 1281 00:56:58,952 --> 00:57:00,286 Throughout oil city. 1282 00:57:00,287 --> 00:57:03,956 It means a lot to me to see all these faces, 1283 00:57:03,957 --> 00:57:07,226 To see all these people who are behind this project. 1284 00:57:07,227 --> 00:57:10,329 And it hasn't always been easy. 1285 00:57:10,330 --> 00:57:12,932 And, uh, I think I'm going to 1286 00:57:12,933 --> 00:57:16,502 Have to turn it over to rox right now. 1287 00:57:16,503 --> 00:57:20,212 My partner, Roxanne. 1288 00:57:23,343 --> 00:57:25,611 Okay, Roxy, are we ready? 1289 00:57:25,612 --> 00:57:27,213 Hitchcock: Okay. 1290 00:57:27,214 --> 00:57:29,182 All right, one... 1291 00:57:29,183 --> 00:57:33,292 Two... Three. 1292 00:57:47,667 --> 00:57:50,403 Henderson: We actually had imagined that moment from - 1293 00:57:50,404 --> 00:57:51,704 For a long time. 1294 00:57:51,705 --> 00:57:53,406 Hitchcock: Just seeing the community's reaction to that 1295 00:57:53,407 --> 00:57:55,108 Just made it all worthwhile. 1296 00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:58,211 That was cool! 1297 00:57:59,712 --> 00:58:01,580 Hitchcock: We love this old building. 1298 00:58:01,581 --> 00:58:02,614 We're fixing it up. 1299 00:58:02,615 --> 00:58:05,150 We want to turn it into something viable 1300 00:58:05,151 --> 00:58:07,653 And economically reasonable for oil city, 1301 00:58:07,654 --> 00:58:09,722 But in the same token, we're giving something 1302 00:58:09,723 --> 00:58:10,723 Back to the city. 1303 00:58:10,724 --> 00:58:14,227 It's all about being able to be ourselves 1304 00:58:14,228 --> 00:58:17,630 Without somebody questioning every 1305 00:58:17,631 --> 00:58:20,133 Motive we might have. 1306 00:58:20,134 --> 00:58:21,968 Yeah, what they call an agenda, 1307 00:58:21,969 --> 00:58:23,002 We call our lives. 1308 00:58:23,003 --> 00:58:24,370 Right! Right! 1309 00:58:24,371 --> 00:58:27,340 � everything feels like enough � 1310 00:58:27,341 --> 00:58:28,741 Man, on P.A.: We come against 1311 00:58:28,742 --> 00:58:31,477 The strongholds of sin in this city 1312 00:58:31,478 --> 00:58:32,845 In the name of jesus, 1313 00:58:32,846 --> 00:58:35,081 And we tear those strongholds down 1314 00:58:35,082 --> 00:58:36,282 In the name of jesus. 1315 00:58:36,283 --> 00:58:37,817 Father, I thank you that there is 1316 00:58:37,818 --> 00:58:40,353 An army of believers, 1317 00:58:40,354 --> 00:58:43,222 Ready to take this city for jesus christ. 1318 00:58:43,223 --> 00:58:46,325 � I want to see jesus lifted high � 1319 00:58:46,326 --> 00:58:50,096 � a banner that flies across this land � 1320 00:58:50,097 --> 00:58:52,799 � that all men will see the truth and know � 1321 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,768 � he is the way... � 1322 00:58:56,169 --> 00:58:58,170 Wilson: Diane? 1323 00:58:58,171 --> 00:58:59,772 Diane? 1324 00:59:02,576 --> 00:59:07,085 I just wanted to ask you one more thing, diane. 1325 00:59:08,949 --> 00:59:12,151 Wilson: It had taken me a long time to get there, 1326 00:59:12,152 --> 00:59:15,321 But in that moment, as diane was treating me 1327 00:59:15,322 --> 00:59:16,822 Like I didn't exist, 1328 00:59:16,823 --> 00:59:18,123 I finally started to see 1329 00:59:18,124 --> 00:59:20,426 That battling with her wasn't a useful way 1330 00:59:20,427 --> 00:59:22,828 To help make change in my small hometown. 1331 00:59:22,829 --> 00:59:26,799 Change was starting to happen, not through confrontation, 1332 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,667 But because of people who decided 1333 00:59:28,668 --> 00:59:31,003 Not to leave, like I did so many years ago, 1334 00:59:31,004 --> 00:59:33,672 People who had the courage to start living their lives 1335 00:59:33,673 --> 00:59:35,474 Just a little more openly. 1336 00:59:35,475 --> 00:59:37,910 And because other people in the community 1337 00:59:37,911 --> 00:59:39,780 Were willing to meet them halfway. 1338 00:59:40,381 --> 00:59:41,581 You know, there have been times 1339 00:59:41,582 --> 00:59:43,682 When I'm, like, "how can they think that?" 1340 00:59:43,783 --> 00:59:45,050 You know? 1341 00:59:45,118 --> 00:59:47,753 Sure. And, um, you know, I'm in a different place 1342 00:59:47,754 --> 00:59:49,922 With that now - I mean, I really respect 1343 00:59:49,923 --> 00:59:51,056 How you see the world 1344 00:59:51,057 --> 00:59:53,492 And how it's made you into the people 1345 00:59:53,493 --> 00:59:56,528 That, um, opened us up in the way you have, so... 1346 00:59:56,529 --> 00:59:59,698 You know, a lot of times, we're afraid of the unknown. 1347 00:59:59,699 --> 01:00:03,702 And you were the unknown quotient. 1348 01:00:03,703 --> 01:00:06,205 You could talk about the issues, 1349 01:00:06,206 --> 01:00:08,907 But the reality is that there are people behind there 1350 01:00:08,908 --> 01:00:10,276 That we need to be sensitive to 1351 01:00:10,277 --> 01:00:12,745 And try to look at their perspective 1352 01:00:12,746 --> 01:00:14,547 And where they're at, and, I mean, 1353 01:00:14,548 --> 01:00:16,649 The benefit of the whole thing, I think, 1354 01:00:16,650 --> 01:00:19,185 Is that we, we have a friendship. 1355 01:00:19,186 --> 01:00:20,686 You know? 1356 01:00:20,754 --> 01:00:22,855 Hopefully, we're growing as human beings, 1357 01:00:22,856 --> 01:00:25,858 You know, through it all. 1358 01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:28,803 Bills: I'll get that. 1359 01:00:31,965 --> 01:00:33,899 Do you see my cold air intake? 1360 01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:35,234 Are you seeing them fuses? 1361 01:00:35,235 --> 01:00:36,335 Wilson: I can't say I'm much 1362 01:00:36,336 --> 01:00:38,505 Of a car person, but it looks nice. 1363 01:00:39,406 --> 01:00:42,408 Bills: $4,388.68. 1364 01:00:42,909 --> 01:00:44,943 Oh, yeah, I remember every dime. 1365 01:00:44,944 --> 01:00:47,045 Where'd you get that kind of loot? 1366 01:00:47,046 --> 01:00:49,848 Off of that there, what do you call it, 1367 01:00:49,849 --> 01:00:51,417 Aclu thing. 1368 01:00:51,618 --> 01:00:53,418 Good, you made it. 1369 01:00:53,419 --> 01:00:54,587 Yeah, you know it! 1370 01:00:54,688 --> 01:00:55,688 Can we go for a ride? 1371 01:00:55,689 --> 01:00:57,297 If you want to. 1372 01:01:00,626 --> 01:01:02,361 You take it easy. 1373 01:01:03,362 --> 01:01:05,197 It's like it ain't gonna go... 1374 01:01:05,198 --> 01:01:06,265 � today is fit for rent � 1375 01:01:06,266 --> 01:01:08,567 � I'm feelin' so unique � 1376 01:01:08,568 --> 01:01:11,203 � I'm feelin' really funky � 1377 01:01:11,204 --> 01:01:12,604 � I kind of like this breeze � 1378 01:01:12,605 --> 01:01:13,806 � couldn't speak � 1379 01:01:13,807 --> 01:01:15,007 � or dream � 1380 01:01:15,008 --> 01:01:16,642 � or am I aware � 1381 01:01:16,643 --> 01:01:18,311 � sometimes it's hard to tell � 1382 01:01:18,312 --> 01:01:20,646 � the difference I made that said � 1383 01:01:20,647 --> 01:01:22,415 It rides like a cadillac. 1384 01:01:22,416 --> 01:01:24,517 � so many lonely days � 1385 01:01:24,518 --> 01:01:25,785 � but today is � 1386 01:01:25,786 --> 01:01:27,653 Bills: I went from being a jock, 1387 01:01:27,654 --> 01:01:29,588 An athlete, a basketball player, 1388 01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:30,856 Baseball player. 1389 01:01:30,857 --> 01:01:33,826 Then it turned around to, I was a queer, 1390 01:01:33,827 --> 01:01:35,461 I was a faggot, I was no longer 1391 01:01:35,462 --> 01:01:37,596 The guy that dislocated your shoulder 1392 01:01:37,597 --> 01:01:39,966 In football practice - I was just a sissy, 1393 01:01:39,967 --> 01:01:42,902 Because of what I think looks hot. 1394 01:01:42,903 --> 01:01:44,570 And whatever I think looks good 1395 01:01:44,571 --> 01:01:46,906 Just automatically makes me into a little fairy. 1396 01:01:46,907 --> 01:01:48,174 But it doesn't. 1397 01:01:48,175 --> 01:01:51,510 Because I'm still me, and I'll always 1398 01:01:51,511 --> 01:01:52,511 Remain me. 1399 01:01:52,512 --> 01:01:53,612 I'm not going to change. 1400 01:01:53,613 --> 01:01:54,747 � set me free � 1401 01:01:54,748 --> 01:01:56,682 � set me � � set me free � 1402 01:01:56,683 --> 01:01:58,784 � set me free � � come on and set me free � 1403 01:01:58,785 --> 01:02:01,253 � I gotta set me free � 1404 01:02:01,254 --> 01:02:02,455 � set me free � 1405 01:02:02,456 --> 01:02:03,456 � set me � 1406 01:02:03,490 --> 01:02:04,657 � set me free � 1407 01:02:04,658 --> 01:02:06,959 � come on and set me free � 1408 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,894 � I've gotta set me free � 1409 01:02:08,895 --> 01:02:10,730 � free, free, free, free � 1410 01:03:12,895 --> 01:03:20,895 re-synched and adjusted from the YIFY sub by effegi